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Jehovah's Witnesses try to murder their own son

LutonSpurs said:
One of the problems I find with the purely scientific approach is that our minds cannot comprehend our existence, life is a paradox ultimately. Rationally we have to believe that there was something/nothing there before everything else which gave a spark/life to the universe. This very notion is beyond us. So we have lots of different theories and belief systems which have given people answers and a sense of purpose. Some will ignore and many will research and learn until they find what they believe to be the most accurate or they follow what is around them.

I think the larger issue is, evident in this thread from scara, is a lack of tolerance towards other peoples convictions even if they are not causing harm to others. This intolerance of people with different ideas is what we need to work on, and then maybe we can co-exist peacefully.
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One of the reasons why I find a GHod explanation unlikely is that a GHod has always been put just beyond the frontier of our understanding. As our understanding of our universe and our place in it has increased, so has the space accorded to a GHod.

We are now left with a GHod having a role before the big bang which is the current frontier territory. I think that it is unlikely that as we increase our understanding here that we will find a GHod, for the same reasons why we haven't found a GHod's hand in any of the other areas which we were told we would find it.
 
LutonSpurs said:
One of the problems I find with the purely scientific approach is that our minds cannot comprehend our existence, life is a paradox ultimately. Rationally we have to believe that there was something/nothing there before everything else which gave a spark/life to the universe. This very notion is beyond us. So we have lots of different theories and belief systems which have given people answers and a sense of purpose. Some will ignore and many will research and learn until they find what they believe to be the most accurate or they follow what is around them.

I think the larger issue is, evident in this thread from scara, is a lack of tolerance towards other peoples convictions even if they are not causing harm to others. This intolerance of people with different ideas is what we need to work on, and then maybe we can co-exist peacefully.
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There's very good reason for a lack of tolerance, JWs have a long history of allowing their children to die rather than accept the help of medical professionals.

What has religion ever done to suggest it deserves tolerance, acceptance or respect? Working on the "sticks and stones" basis, religion has killed, maimed, raped and tortured a lot of people over the course of history. I've sat at a computer and said some nasty things about religion.
 
Kenyan Spur said:
Sorry,

This thread seems to have gone OT.

It is late here in the tropics.

Just please update the original topic

Did the JWs succeed in their attempt to murder their own son ( as claimed by the OP )
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This thread is very on-topic.

It was a criticism of religion and its followers. That's what we're discussing.

The parents fortunately failed in their attempts to steal their son away and he's now in the hands of medical professionals where he belongs.
 
billyiddo said:
i think the fact there are so many different deities all over the world speaks volumes for mans belief in a higher power - thousands of unconnected tribes/civilizations over thousands of years all gravitated towards a belief system independently.
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I think it points more towards the methods our brains have evolved to process and translate information quickly and efficiently.

Think of the brain like a bit of anti-virus software. You can't tell AV software what every single virus in the world looks like - not only would it become massive bloatware but it would also not detect new ones until told how they look. So instead, scanners use heuristic methods - I know the kind of bad things viruses do, so if anything does these bad things I'll call it a virus.

In the same way, our brains will see a tiger run behind some trees and when it comes out the other side, we will not think two tigers, we think that's probably the same tiger. We invent the movement in between. If I'm in the middle lane of the motorway and there's something small and high-pitched in the lane to the right of me, my brain will assume motorbike without me looking at it - if there's something really large in the slow lane it will assume lorry.

Our brains have evolved to fill in the gaps until knowledge pushes out the filled-in bits. Throughout all of mankind's history the bits of filled-in nonsense have been replaced with reason and science. There's literally not a single part of any religion that currently exists that has convinced me this will change going forward.

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its also a delusional grandeur effect, the thought process being, "i'm more important than that, this has to mean something, i can't be here solely due to physics, i'm a special little sausage"
 
galeforce said:
its also a delusional grandeur effect, the thought process being, "i'm more important than that, this has to mean something, i can't be here solely due to physics, i'm a special little sausage"
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Of course - that and the comfort that one's loved ones are not really dead, they're sitting on some cloud waiting for us. Nobody ever seems to take into account how incredibly boring eternity in Heaven would be considering the types that would be there.
 
Roy1983 said:
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that some believe in GHod even if you don't?
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By believing there is a GHod what is it that you believe? If you don't mind me asking.

I mean, is it that he/she/it are up there looking down over everything? Is it that there is a master plan? A heaven? or maybe just something that you feel gives you comfort?

Honest question.. I don't think I have any mates that believe in GHod or are religious in anyway so never asked this before
 
dingdongo said:
By believing there is a GHod what is it that you believe? If you don't mind me asking.

I mean, is it that he/she/it are up there looking down over everything? Is it that there is a master plan? A heaven? or maybe just something that you feel gives you comfort?

Honest question.. I don't think I have any mates that believe in GHod or are religious in anyway so never asked this before
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A bit of everything you've mentioned mate. As I said before I'm not religious as in attend church. I just don't like the way people who do believe are being made out to be stupid, illogical and more in this thread just because people don't believe it themselves. The 'Darwin-tards' ill start calling them.
 
I love the GHod debate because it always ends up with both sides banging their heads against the wall, and it's guaranteed to continue for years and years, possibly forever. Personally, I'm 99.9% sure GHod doesn't exist for the same reasons I'm 99.9% sure unicorns, leprechauns or that teapot Dawkins made famous, don't exist - there isn't a shred of proof. If GHod, riding on a unicorns back, comes knocking on my door, I'll soon become the biggest believer

However, if people want to believe and use that as comfort then great. What angers me though, is when kids are not given a choice. I have close friends, who are Jewish, and the oldest one asked me why I was never at synagogue and I replied it was because I don't believe in GHod, his dad had a go at me saying they didn't want their kids to know there was that option. That really ****es me off
 
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