Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
It’s weird because his stats are good but he’s wildly inconsistent. Ideally we want someone who gets goals, assists, creates chances but plays well consistently.
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James Maddison
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K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Tom Huddlestone
He makes us a better team when he plays well needs to be hooked when he's having a poor game.
Could he be more consistent? yes, but the side has been brick.
According to some Spurs fans we should bin Maddison, Johnson & Son. fudge knows where the replacement 34 goals and 18 assists come from?
@K.D.D.D.D.Soc is right, squad needs to be used, if he plays well, he starts/stays on, if not, put someone else in.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
A bit like Ben Davies, if overplayed his quality drops imo. Some players don’t have the physique to play at the top level every week or twice a week, others can.
Maddison needs more careful management and rotation as he can make a huge difference to us. Few other players step up and have the ability and maturity to dictate games. Maddison did int he first half, he wasn’t as good second.
Bentancur could take on this role more. Bergvall too! He’s hungry for possession and to dictate games. The tree of them are our most skilled midfield but lack some defensive power.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
Maddison is effective for 55/60 mins
Like all out older players
What is frustrating is he slows things down
But we have really missed that on the last few games
Thought he had a really good 45
Don’t notice his next 10
Then he came into it and was subbed
Like all out older players
What is frustrating is he slows things down
But we have really missed that on the last few games
Thought he had a really good 45
Don’t notice his next 10
Then he came into it and was subbed
Bishop
Jimmy Neighbour
A lot of the guys you mentioned can play well without having a direct statistical outcome. If you watch their games you can see their influence on the flow and their impact on the game. Maddison not so much, when he's poor he very poor and even in the games where he has contributed directly he hasn't always had an otherwise good performance. I don't really think you're argument really holds up tbh.
On Maddison directly, he's a talent and on his day can be very good, but it's difficult to argue that those days come about often enough.
Odegaard is the exact same, disappears in games (critics will say in big games)
KDB was an elite player but on the back end of his career (certainly not the player he was 3 years ago).
My point was two things, Maddison's numbers are a lot better than most people give credit to, and he's not some midtable journeyman. Could he be better, should he be better with the talent? no question
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Johnson doesn’t really do anything except score tap ins. In the peak Poch team we had players who scored goals but also created and influenced the game beyond just scoring tap ins. I wouldn’t necessarily sell Maddison and Johnson but they are most definitely both upgradable and we should look to do so as a priority in the summer.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Depending on if we're in Europe or not next season we need competition/options for Maddison more than we need to replace him.
We do have Kulusevski and Bergvall I guess. But Kulusevski is a very different profile and Bergvall is still a teenager and so far looks better a bit deeper imo.
We need more players with a similar profile and skillset to Maddison. Doesn’t even have to be in the 10/AM role. But creative, skillful players who can slow things down and speed things up. Perhaps Bergvall, Gray, Odobert or others can become those players. If not we need players like that in, way more than we need one of our very few players that can do that to be replaced.
We do have Kulusevski and Bergvall I guess. But Kulusevski is a very different profile and Bergvall is still a teenager and so far looks better a bit deeper imo.
We need more players with a similar profile and skillset to Maddison. Doesn’t even have to be in the 10/AM role. But creative, skillful players who can slow things down and speed things up. Perhaps Bergvall, Gray, Odobert or others can become those players. If not we need players like that in, way more than we need one of our very few players that can do that to be replaced.
fernadez
Mitchell Thomas
I'm more interested in his assists numbers then goals personally. He's meant to be our chief creator but rarely creates.
I'd happily take him scoring less but assisting more. That would indicate that he's actually controlling games more, which is what he's there for. My issue with him is that he rarely 'rolls up his sleeves' and drags the team with a performance. That shushhing celebration after scoring a tap in is an insight into the mentality. What questions did he answer?
I'd happily take him scoring less but assisting more. That would indicate that he's actually controlling games more, which is what he's there for. My issue with him is that he rarely 'rolls up his sleeves' and drags the team with a performance. That shushhing celebration after scoring a tap in is an insight into the mentality. What questions did he answer?
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Both goals and assists tell little about how well a player controls a game imo.
He does more than most imo. Not in the physical sense, rolling up sleeves and dragging a team that way. But in terms of always wanting the ball, trying to be creative and do useful things with the ball he's usually up there. Others that are way more likely to be hiding, not taking responsibility than him.
More often than not when he struggles I think it's more because he needs others too to take responsibility, not because he isn't taking responsibility.
Though I have been critical of him in some games. And it is fair to expect more of him, taking that kind of responsibility is way more within his skill set than many others.
Muttley
Steve Hodge
Roland Beurre
Tony Parks
I agree. With this sort of player, it is all very well delivering the killer pass, his team-mates have to spot it coming as well and get on the end of it. So, like most players, he plays better when surrounded by better players.
I had high hopes for Lamela when he first joined because he looked good sliding in through balls, but the forwards didn't always see the pass or make the run. He obviously never fulfilled his potential with us, and I fear Maddison won't either. Leaving aside Lamela's injury problems, I think Maddison and Lamela are on a par, and that includes acting as lightning rods for the ire of the opposition fans.
From their replacements?
He's an 8 in an Ange system, he's expected to score, he's being asked to score more. If you listen to his interview in the last match he scored in (not the United one), he talks about making that midfield run as something they work on.
The hushing was to the comment "he doesn't change games", he did, he won us the match .. and he gave back what he got .. good for him.
RW is a priority because there is no other option than Johnson. Upgrading Maddison will probably be very low on the priority list (Probably LB, DM, RW as major priorities over summer, potentially Richi upgrade if we are going there)
Peak Poch was reliant heavily on Eriksen (and yes, prime Eriksen was better than Maddison), different type of system and I don't want to get into the debate but Poch was a lot of get the ball to Eriksen and expect magic. Ange in theory is more about creating overloads and having players do those tap ins.
and numbers I showed above indicate that's highly unlikely. Finding Midfielders and Wingers scoring double figure goals (and providing assists) by February really isn't as easy as everyone is making out. When you have prime Kane & Son, you can have other player not contribute as many, but we don't (and outside of two teams), no one has a 30 goal a season striker anymore.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
My order of priority would be RW, CM and DM. I think we’re fine at LB. I’d get 2 forwards if we can afford to tbh.
Players come and go, nobody is irreplacable. Losing Kane was losing 25-30 goals a season, and the same was said about replacing those goals. Guess what, they've been replaced by spreading goals around more individuals. Those 3 players go and maybe we dip a little in goals but make up for it by having their replacements being better defensively and improving the goals conceeded. If we get a better balance it's worth it.
For all those positions it will depend heavily on whether we think the kids out on loan are ready to step up, plus moving Gray into DM instead of being an emergency CB. The positions that the kids aren't ready to cover should be the priority.
Mosquito_Coasting
Gerry Armstrong
I'd sell for this reason, might even get our money back!