Greg Stobart - Inside Tottenham's transfer window

[Gutter Boy]

I think we should have got another striker in, preferably Welbeck, and another defender, Lescott would have been one option.

So far, I think the signings we did make are good ones. Top 4 looks to be out of our reach again, but it's a trophy I want, and I doubt if we have the squad to deliver that, especially as we'll be trying to stay competitive and at least hit the top 6 in the Lge again.

But Kane didn't even make the matchday squad against Arsenal or West Brom, and is better than Welbeck. And Fazio has yet to feature in the league - one of our 5 senior CB (it normal only to have 4).

I think anything beneath the 2 doped clubs is up for grabs this season really, it just depends how quickly Poch can get us playing cohesively. It's not about the talent in the squad - it's about organisation (and offensive organisation like synchronised movement, not just defensive organisation).

I think we could realistically win any 1 of the 3 cups. I also think we could finish anywhere from 3rd-6th. It's just question of how quickly Poch can get us up to speed, and the signs from the last two matches have been encouraging.

 

[milo]

But Kane didn't even make the matchday squad against Arsenal or West Brom, and is better than Welbeck. And Fazio has yet to feature in the league - one of our 5 senior CB (it normal only to have 4).

I think anything beneath the 2 doped clubs is up for grabs this season really, it just depends how quickly Poch can get us playing cohesively. It's not about the talent in the squad - it's about organisation (and offensive organisation like synchronised movement, not just defensive organisation).

I think we could realistically win any 1 of the 3 cups. I also think we could finish anywhere from 3rd-6th. It's just question of how quickly Poch can get us up to speed, and the signs from the last two matches have been encouraging.

I am not convinced that Kane is better than Welbeck at the moment but other than that I agree

 

[glorygloryeze]

But Kane didn't even make the matchday squad against Arsenal or West Brom, and is better than Welbeck. And Fazio has yet to feature in the league - one of our 5 senior CB (it normal only to have 4).

I think anything beneath the 2 doped clubs is up for grabs this season really, it just depends how quickly Poch can get us playing cohesively. It's not about the talent in the squad - it's about organisation (and offensive organisation like synchronised movement, not just defensive organisation).

I think we could realistically win any 1 of the 3 cups. I also think we could finish anywhere from 3rd-6th. It's just question of how quickly Poch can get us up to speed, and the signs from the last two matches have been encouraging.

I'm all for appraising our players as much as possible but care to back up that statement?

 

[Gutter Boy]

I'm all for appraising our players as much as possible but care to back up that statement?

Kane just has a footballing brain

Welbeck isn't that bad - he's not Defoe or Bent level of one-dimensionalness. But I think he's already reached his peak and will just float around another Agbonlahor calibre player from now.

Berbatov was a bit of a freak with his velcro boots, but I think Kane could go on to become 90% of a Berbatov, which would be a damn fine player.

 

[jts1882]

On the Sandro sale, could it just have been what was offered for who? We had a number of players with overlapping characteristics for the central midfield spots and none seemed certain starters and perhaps all had question-marks. Perhaps Sandro was the only one who got an offer matching his purchase value. If someone had offered the right amounts for Paulinho or Capoue perhaps one of them would have been gone instead.

Similarly with Southampton and Schneiderlin, perhaps they accepted they needed to sell a number of players for financial reasons but had to keep some continuity. It could be that Schneiderlin was the left when they had raised the right amount.

My general point is there are lots of factors going into transfers and each cannot be considered in isolation.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Kane just has a footballing brain

Welbeck isn't that bad - he's not Defoe or Bent level of one-dimensionalness. But I think he's already reached his peak and will just float around another Agbonlahor calibre player from now.

Berbatov was a bit of a freak with his velcro boots, but I think Kane could go on to become 90% of a Berbatov, which would be a damn fine player.

It's very easy to throw away a line and say "player x hasn't a football brain". Can you (or anyone else) go into more detail as to how Kane is better than Welbeck.

What is it that he does exactly better than Welbeck?
If he indeed has such a better football brain than Welbeck, why were even looking at Welbeck in the summer to come in on loan?
Why has Kane not started many more games thus far for us? It's not like we've been ridiculously blessed in the goals for department in the last couple of years or so. Does that not say how poor our coaches/manager's judgement is?

Whoever takes on this answer i would like details please; I'm not knocking Kane, as I think he could turn out a good player for us, but to say he is already better than Welbeck seems a stretch but i'm happy to hear how people come to this conclusion.

Gifs, Youtube vids etc welcome

Ta

 

[Shelfie]

I am a big fan of Kane, and hope he starts v City. But I think there would have been room for him and Welbeck in our squad. For example, if Chadli misses the City game, and with Lamela tired from long distance travel, a front three of Eriksen Kane and Welbeck there would be fine by me.

For me we need the squad depth that Welbeck would have helped bring to us.

 

[Kingdawson]

I really rate kane but better than Welbeck? what?

 

[jimmyb]

It's very easy to throw away a line and say "player x hasn't a football brain". Can you (or anyone else) go into more detail as to how Kane is better than Welbeck.

What is it that he does exactly better than Welbeck?
If he indeed has such a better football brain than Welbeck, why were even looking at Welbeck in the summer to come in on loan?
Why has Kane not started many more games thus far for us? It's not like we've been ridiculously blessed in the goals for department in the last couple of years or so. Does that not say how poor our coaches/manager's judgement is?

Whoever takes on this answer i would like details please; I'm not knocking Kane, as I think he could turn out a good player for us, but to say he is already better than Welbeck seems a stretch but i'm happy to hear how people come to this conclusion.

Gifs, Youtube vids etc welcome

Ta

Kane has only recently turned 21 (2-3 years younger than Welbeck), which is why he hasn't broken into the first team before now. He also lacked Welbeck's natural physicality. He's tall, certainly, but he was something of a beanpole until recently and, of course, he doesn't have Welbeck's pace.

I wouldn't say that Kane is as good as Welbeck yet. But I think he will be. Good finisher; dead ball specialist; solid all round technique; reads the game well; getting stronger. I see some similarities with Teddy Sheringham - a player who didn't fully blossom until his mid 20's.

 

[SpurSF]

Kane has only recently turned 21 (2-3 years younger than Welbeck), which is why he hasn't broken into the first team before now. He also lacked Welbeck's natural physicality. He's tall, certainly, but he was something of a beanpole until recently and, of course, he doesn't have Welbeck's pace.

I wouldn't say that Kane is as good as Welbeck yet. But I think he will be. Good finisher; dead ball specialist; solid all round technique; reads the game well; getting stronger. I see some similarities with Teddy Sheringham - a player who didn't fully blossom until his mid 20's.

I agree with you, as well. Welbeck is an exciting player and would have been a shiny new signing, but I am more than happy with sticking with Harry Kane and saving the money. Besides the 16 million pound fee, you would have thought he's on a much more affordable contract than Harry. Plus, it's always nice to see homegrown players come through. If we would have added Welbeck and not shifted on of Ade or Soldado (which may have been tough to do), there's no way Kane would have gotten enough game time.

I really rate Kane's all-around ability. He isn't quick, but not all strikers are. He's a good finisher, can hold the ball up, and has a surprisingly good eye for a pass. His touch can let him down (same can be said for Welbeck), but he is only young and can improve on that. I also like that he seems to score goals consistently at every level he plays at (League, Cup, U21s), and his presence will always contribute to our build-up play.

I think, ultimately, if he continues to improve this season, I think we'll shift one of Ade or Soldado on and bring in a young, pacy striker in the Berhaino mold next season.

 

[NWND]

Sheringham's a very good comparison to Kane. I see a lot of similarities. Kane's lack of pace doesn't ever seem to be a handicap to him, because of his intelligent movement and positioning. He seems to have a knack of finding and receiving the ball in space in dangerous areas.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Some think Kane could be the new Sheringham - Great for us.

But some think Welbeck could be moulded into being as good as Henry....


Just saying....

 

[Nigeyman]

Some think Kane could be the new Sheringham - Great for us.

But some think Welbeck could be moulded into being as good as Henry....


Just saying....

No its a good point...personally I need to stop comparing players to former favourites, it does not help, can possibly lead to disappointment.

I do think Kane's efforts this season merit more epl game time, I do think he has come on leaps and bounds, and after watching the u21's I would be really hopeful for our future if we had Kane & Berahino as a partnership, I think it could be deadly.

We say Welbeck is the darling of the idiots, they probably think Kane is trash and we are getting our knickers in a twist over nothing as usual, Comparing the two Welbeck is currently the better player and will always be more of an athlete than Kane, football brain wise and creativity I think Kane does have the potential to be a better player than Welbeck. For all we know it could be the England partnership in a few years.....

At the moment I think we should just hope that Kane keeps developing and gets more goals for us. That would be nice in the short term.

 

[glorygloryeze]

No its a good point...personally I need to stop comparing players to former favourites, it does not help, can possibly lead to disappointment.

I do think Kane's efforts this season merit more epl game time, I do think he has come on leaps and bounds, and after watching the u21's I would be really hopeful for our future if we had Kane & Berahino as a partnership, I think it could be deadly.

We say Welbeck is the darling of the idiots, they probably think Kane is trash and we are getting our knickers in a twist over nothing as usual, Comparing the two Welbeck is currently the better player and will always be more of an athlete than Kane, football brain wise and creativity I think Kane does have the potential to be a better player than Welbeck. For all we know it could be the England partnership in a few years.....

At the moment I think we should just hope that Kane keeps developing and gets more goals for us. That would be nice in the short term.

Hey there Nigey,

You raise some good points and I think I agree with them.

If Kane keeps on his development but still doesn't get to start PL games (he wasn't even on the bench vs Arsenal!) I would start wondering why in a bog way....tbh, if Chadli doesn't play on Saturday imo Kane should play in his place.

 

[jimmyb]

Some think Kane could be the new Sheringham - Great for us.

But some think Welbeck could be moulded into being as good as Henry....


Just saying....

Arf! Then they're deluding themselves.

He's nothing like the player that Henry was. He's already 23. He might (and probably will) still improve but he isn't going to change his game so dramatically as to emulate Henry. Would be silly to put that kind of pressure on him.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Arf! Then they're deluding themselves.

He's nothing like the player that Henry was. He's already 23. He might (and probably will) improve but he isn't going to change his game so dramatically as to emulate Henry. Would be silly to put that kind of pressure on him.

Are we not doing the same with Kane re Sheringham? :-k

 

[jimmyb]

Are we not doing the same with Kane re Sheringham? :-k

No.

Have a proper read of what was said, fella. No one claimed that Kane would be as good as Sheringham. Just that there are "some similarities" with Sheringham. That's all. And it's a big difference.

 

[glorygloryeze]

No.

Have a proper read of what was said, fella. No one claimed that Kane would be as good as Sheringham. Just that there are "some similarities" with Sheringham. That's all. And it's a big difference.

I'm sure you didn't do it deliberately but you're essentially making a straw man argument.

Ok, "some similarities with Sheringham" it is then.

It may not be as headline-grabbing as "being moulded into being Henry mk II" but ask yourself how many players have we had - esp home-grown - who we have described as having "some similarities with Sheringham"?

If there haven't been any- and remind if there have been - then I'm afraid that is heaping similar pressure on Kane as some Goons might be doing with Welbeck imo

 

[sc25]

Prolly should cool our jets on Kane. A few weeks ago I heard he wouldn't make a Championship player, let alone much else. Ah, but as they say. a couple weeks is a long time in footy. Ask Rose.

 

[jimmyb]

Ok, "some similarities with Sheringham" it is then.

It may not be as headline-grabbing as "being moulded into being Henry mk II" but ask yourself how many players have we had - esp home-grown - who we have described as having "some similarities with Sheringham"?

If there haven't been any- and remind if there have been - then I'm afraid that is heaping similar pressure on Kane as some Goons might be doing with Welbeck imo

No, it isn't.

It is merely remarking what TYPE of player Kane is. Not how good he is.