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The way he says it is a bit tacoish, however he does have a point. If the changes go through this season will just have been a pointless irrelevance league wise.


They could have just not played the entire season and they would still have moved up a 'divison'.
 
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markysimmo said:
If they quit Scotland where are they going to play, they can fudge off if they think they are coming to play in England
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My thoughts exaclty. I suppose they think they can just walk into the Premier League and bypass the other leagues too.
 
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How come the whole world thinks they need to make the SPL bigger but they themselves keep proposing mental changes like 12 12 20 with leagues splitting into 3 round robin, knockout out, cross-bar challenge, play-offs?

Is it just that the top sides love the income of playing each other 4 times a season and don't wanna give that up to let in smaller clubs, who in theory could grow and establish themselves making it a better division if just offered the opportunity to part of a larger SPL?
 
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dingdongo said:
How come the whole world thinks they need to make the SPL bigger but they themselves keep proposing mental changes like 12 12 20 with leagues splitting into 3 round robin, knockout out, cross-bar challenge, play-offs?

Is it just that the top sides love the income of playing each other 4 times a season and don't wanna give that up to let in smaller clubs, who in theory could grow and establish themselves making it a better division if just offered the opportunity to part of a larger SPL?
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I was thinking something similar. Why not just two divisions of 22 each and play each other home and away once?

Back OT, I think Rangers should really just shut up and take whatever medicine is coming their way. There's a reason that they were demoted to the division they are in now and behaving like a spoilt child is not helping their cause. In effect they are not being penalised by this reorganisation of the leagues at all. Two promotions will see them back in the top flight even with the changes.
 
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Wriggly said:
But its ok for Swansea and Cardiff ?
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Swansea and Cardiff have always played within English football, though. They have always had to compete against the big English clubs. Not so Rangers and Celtic, who grew into the big clubs that they are as a consequence of their success within Scottish football, competing against far smaller clubs. Disgusting that they would both happily abandon the country that made them, and where they belong, now that it suits them.
 
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jimmyb said:
Swansea and Cardiff have always played within English football, though. They have always had to compete against the big English clubs. Not so Rangers and Celtic, who grew into the big clubs that they are as a consequence of their success within Scottish football, competing against far smaller clubs. Disgusting that they would both happily abandon the country that made them, and where they belong, now that it suits them.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree they shouldnt be allowed to just 'walk in' and ultimately I don't want them here either, but if Welsh teams can play in an English league regardless of when they joined it would be unfair to discount other 'applicants'. There's lots of examples, Berwick Rangers, which are an English team playing in Scotland etc. If they were to join, I'd have them starting at the very bottom of the ladder.
 
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It's all very well starting at the bottom but with their stadiums, fanbase, wages etc they would just romp through the leagues within a few years anyway.
Once they get to the Championship and then into the PL there would just be a load of clubs tinkled off that there's now 2 more huge clubs in the PL making it EVEN harder for them to make it (one of the reasons they would always vote against it)
 
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I have no object in principle to Scottish clubs playing in the English leagues or going for a full merger and a British League (although we should probably wait for the 2014 referendum). If its good enough for the Welsh clubs, its good enough for the Scottish clubs. But Rangers are moaning that they can't get back to the SPL quicker so I can't see them having the patience to start in tier 8 or 9 like AFC Wimbledon and FC United.

In practice, they could easily play both until they reached the football league. A Rangers reserve team should comfortably achieve the required promotions. However, this would be an unacceptable option. They need to make their choice.

I also think they shouldn't gain the european qualification through the English league while Scotland is a separate football nation. Given the Scottish attitude to an Olympic team and their disgraceful blocking of the womens team in 2008 (when they were genuine contenders for the top prize in their sport and denied by some miserable old men), I can't see the SFA agreeing to such changes.

P.S. Anyone know what happens if Swansea win the League or FA cup or finish top six? Do they get European qualification? I think that the winners of the Welsh Cup get a Europa League place so I'm guessing Swansea wouldn't qualify.
 
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Whether or not Swansea get European football is up to the FA AFAIK.


Pretty sure Uefa came out and just said they didn't care and would take whoever the national associations put forward for the spot.


Edit: or i may have imagined that.


Uefa's two-day executive committee meeting in Istanbul has finally clarified that Swansea, Cardiff or any of the Welsh clubs would qualify for Europe should they finish high enough in the English top flight or by winning the FA or League Cups.

"Welsh clubs, like Swansea and Cardiff, will be able to qualify for European competition through the English system," confirmed a Uefa spokesman.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17459332
 
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Thanks.

Do they still take part in the Welsh Cup? If they had two shots at qualification, that would be unfair. (Edit: never mind, I've now I read the article).
 
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It ain't gonna happen anyway. No way will Celtic and Rangers ever secure even half the 14 votes they would need to be admitted to the Premier League.
 
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Wales have their own football association. The FA is England only.

However, the FA doesn't run the Football League and never has. The Football League was set up when the FA opposed professionalism so there has been a constant conflict of interests. I'm guess the FA were never asked about the Welsh clubs joining the FL.
 
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jts1882 said:
Wales have their own football association. The FA is England only.

However, the FA doesn't run the Football League and never has. The Football League was set up when the FA opposed professionalism so there has been a constant conflict of interests. I'm guess the FA were never asked about the Welsh clubs joining the FL.
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Who governs the Football League ?
 
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The Football League.

I'm not being facetious, the Football League is its own body, governing its own leagues (and cup), and has been since its foundation in 1888. It operates like the PL with arrangements with the FA, for handling discipline and registrations, and with other leagues for promotion and relegation.
 
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jts1882 said:
The Football League.

I'm not being facetious, the Football League is its own body, governing its own leagues (and cup), and has been since its foundation in 1888. It operates like the PL with arrangements with the FA, for handling discipline and registrations, and with other leagues for promotion and relegation.
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No thats cool, I wasnt sure. Thanks.
 
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Charles Green, the Rangers chief executive, claims he could use sex discrimination laws to sue Uefa if they try to block the club's moves to join a cross-border league.

Green has vowed to look into ways of taking Rangers out of Scottish football following the announcement of a new 12-18-18 league set-up – drawn up by the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League in conjunction with the Scottish Football Association – that would keep the club in Scotland's Third Division, even if they go on to win the title this season.

Murray believes he has precedent on his side when he claims the club should be granted access to leagues in other countries. He told TalkSport: "As the structures stand now, there are not many options. But I'm not one for hiding my light behind a bushel.

"People say you can't go into England because you are not allowed cross-borders [leagues]. Well there is now a cross-border [league]. You have a Uefa-sanctioned professional women's league in Belgium and Holland, so we have a precedent there.

"If there was an opportunity to join a cross-border league and that was challenged by Uefa, I would go to Strasbourg and challenge the sexual equality."

Green also claimed that Rangers could apply to join the English Conference set-up before attempting to rise up the leagues. And he insisted he would do so with the blessing of the club's supporters.

"I could join the Conference and I would be in a higher league than I'm in. It doesn't matter to me [which league Rangers are in]," he added. "I can tell you this, if the only option is to go into England and start at the lowest level, I believe Rangers fans would support that.

"Nobody can question Rangers fans once they see the attendances. I got figures through yesterday and it's only Man United, Arsenal and Saudi Sportswashing Machine that have higher average attendances than Rangers."

Green also insisted that if Rangers were denied entry south of the border, PremierLeague side Swansea and Championship side Cardiff should then be booted out of England. He said: "People say you are not allowed in the English league – well let's then kick Cardiff and Swansea out, because they are playing in a different country.

"People are saying Wales is fine but Scotland is not. We cannot have a situation where one of the Union is annexed by the football bodies but Wales can join. It's rubbish."

SFA chief executive Stewart Regan has suggested the proposed new league structure could lead to a brighter future for the Scottish game, but Green insists the wishes of supporters across the country have been misread.

Green, whose club were not consulted on the proposals as they do not yet posses full membership of the SFA, said: "This is not just Rangers fans, but every fan in Scotland is against this proposal, by 90% I'm told."

Ally McCoist, the Rangers manager, has said his ideal scenario would be to see his club back at the top level of Scottish football but that he can understands Green's objections to the league reconstruction plans. He said: "Ideally the top league in this country would perfect. There has been a lot of information coming out in the last week or so but all we want to do is get back to the top league in this country.

"I know Rangers and Celtic have explored avenues to play in different leagues and I would think they would continue to do that. But I'd settle for the top league in Scotland."

He added: "Charles is doing his job in the respect that he's exploring avenues for other leagues. I can totally understand his dislike for the potential new set-up. If it goes ahead, I would imagine the biggest sufferers again, in my opinion, would be the Rangers supporters."

www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/11/rangers-charles-green-cross-border-league
 
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