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European Super League - Dead on arrival

balesleftboot said:
Forest have more right to be there than we do.
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harr1984 said:
Levy is a joke because we have no footballing success yet are one of Europe’s richest and are locked in the European Super League? Sounds like he’s played a blinder:D...
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What by embarrassing the club and it’s fans ? If we are so financially elite why are we a shambles on the pitch and talking about the possibility of losing our best players ?

All the while he’s been plotting his entry into a soulless closed shop and about to destroy the integrity of the domestic football pyramid.
 
balesleftboot said:
Forest have more right to be there than we do.
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Different era. The teams included are based on size of fan base and commercial appeal. Clearly thats not right, but we'd be toast if we were outside this...and crossing your fingers that it doesnt happen is analagous to Kodak burying their heads in the sand and wishing that the digital era didnt ever arrive. I dont know how much Levy drove this, but he was definitely right in making sure we were included. We wouldnt have survived outside the ESL
 
The response to this is amazing, so many people really know brick all about big business or even modern football

- This is not a negotiation play, that has been tried before and UEFA and FA played high and mighty, e.g. this season allowing the smaller clubs to vote against 5 subs rule, perfect example of endangering players (read investments) and limiting the more successful clubs for no logical reason.
- The funding has been sourced (JP Morgan), people don't put up $3.5B on a gamble/tactic
- The best lawyers in the world have probably reviewing this for six months, pretty sure they have figured out any attempt to ban/punish players/clubs will lead to the lawsuit of a lifetime

Here's the key for people

- You cannot expect organizations to invest billions of dollars (infrastructure/players/marketing) into something with no attempt to limit the risk.
- This is the American sports model, billions in, huge revenue but the owners/investors must be protected

Re the fan reaction

- wtf? you care about UEFA, if we stepped out our domestic leagues I could see a reaction but who the fudge cares about a UEFA brick show that has been rebranded a hundred times anyway?
- And I'm sure the same set who want Levy/ENIC to spend more, us to compete -> this is our chance
- Sorry, been trying to explain this for years, your ticket, your local tv rights gives you zero fudging leverage over the top clubs, the audience they are selling to (e.g 50M+ South Koreans watching Son) don't want to see Norwich/Forest/Fulham/whoever, they want to see the 15 names that were listed play each other ..
- Integrity of the FA? fudging hilarious, does someone actually believe that?

@harr1984 is right, Levy has played an absolute blinder, the sides left out of this are dead.
- This isn't about history or success (see point above), it's about brand recognition and we have done that really well in last decade (and oddly enough, Jose probably has helped despite opposite results)

From a Spurs perspective this is brilliant

- Money for infrastructure investments and Covid losses
- Guaranteed income and more control over our rights
- In the most high prestige competition in world football every year

Yes, we may struggle against some of these teams, but the money and competition will make us better.
 
djp82 said:
What by embarrassing the club and it’s fans ? If we are so financially elite why are we a shambles on the pitch and talking about the possibility of losing our best players ?

The clubs a shambles on the pitch at the moment. All the while he’s been plotting his entry into a soulless closed shop and about to destroy the integrity of the domestic football pyramid.
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I’d be embarrassed were we not involved in this.
 
Wonder whether we might be more active in the transfer window now given the need to act as a big boy?
 
Raziel said:
The response to this is amazing, so many people really know brick all about big business or even modern football

- This is not a negotiation play, that has been tried before and UEFA and FA played high and mighty, e.g. this season allowing the smaller clubs to vote against 5 subs rule, perfect example of endangering players (read investments) and limiting the more successful clubs for no logical reason.
- The funding has been sourced (JP Morgan), people don't put up $3.5B on a gamble/tactic
- The best lawyers in the world have probably reviewing this for six months, pretty sure they have figured out any attempt to ban/punish players/clubs will lead to the lawsuit of a lifetime

Here's the key for people

- You cannot expect organizations to invest billions of dollars (infrastructure/players/marketing) into something with no attempt to limit the risk.
- This is the American sports model, billions in, huge revenue but the owners/investors must be protected

Re the fan reaction

- wtf? you care about UEFA, if we stepped out our domestic leagues I could see a reaction but who the fudge cares about a UEFA brick show that has been rebranded a hundred times anyway?
- And I'm sure the same set who want Levy/ENIC to spend more, us to compete -> this is our chance
- Sorry, been trying to explain this for years, your ticket, your local tv rights gives you zero fudging leverage over the top clubs, the audience they are selling to (e.g 50M+ South Koreans watching Son) don't want to see Norwich/Forest/Fulham/whoever, they want to see the 15 names that were listed play each other ..
- Integrity of the FA? fudging hilarious, does someone actually believe that?

@harr1984 is right, Levy has played an absolute blinder, the sides left out of this are dead.
- This isn't about history or success (see point above), it's about brand recognition and we have done that really well in last decade (and oddly enough, Jose probably has helped despite opposite results)

From a Spurs perspective this is brilliant

- Money for infrastructure investments and Covid losses
- Guaranteed income and more control over our rights
- In the most high prestige competition in world football every year

Yes, we may struggle against some of these teams, but the money and competition will make us better.
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Agreed, and to be honest, I don’t care about the domestic pyramid, I care about Spurs, this is good for us, the alternative is no Spurs.

I’m not going to slum it at a lower league club, I’ve been to hundreds of lower level games, it’s brick.
 
Raziel said:
The response to this is amazing, so many people really know brick all about big business or even modern football

- This is not a negotiation play, that has been tried before and UEFA and FA played high and mighty, e.g. this season allowing the smaller clubs to vote against 5 subs rule, perfect example of endangering players (read investments) and limiting the more successful clubs for no logical reason.
- The funding has been sourced (JP Morgan), people don't put up $3.5B on a gamble/tactic
- The best lawyers in the world have probably reviewing this for six months, pretty sure they have figured out any attempt to ban/punish players/clubs will lead to the lawsuit of a lifetime

Here's the key for people

- You cannot expect organizations to invest billions of dollars (infrastructure/players/marketing) into something with no attempt to limit the risk.
- This is the American sports model, billions in, huge revenue but the owners/investors must be protected

Re the fan reaction

- wtf? you care about UEFA, if we stepped out our domestic leagues I could see a reaction but who the fudge cares about a UEFA brick show that has been rebranded a hundred times anyway?
- And I'm sure the same set who want Levy/ENIC to spend more, us to compete -> this is our chance
- Sorry, been trying to explain this for years, your ticket, your local tv rights gives you zero fudging leverage over the top clubs, the audience they are selling to (e.g 50M+ South Koreans watching Son) don't want to see Norwich/Forest/Fulham/whoever, they want to see the 15 names that were listed play each other ..
- Integrity of the FA? fudging hilarious, does someone actually believe that?

@harr1984 is right, Levy has played an absolute blinder, the sides left out of this are dead.
- This isn't about history or success (see point above), it's about brand recognition and we have done that really well in last decade (and oddly enough, Jose probably has helped despite opposite results)

From a Spurs perspective this is brilliant

- Money for infrastructure investments and Covid losses
- Guaranteed income and more control over our rights
- In the most high prestige competition in world football every year

Yes, we may struggle against some of these teams, but the money and competition will make us better.
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Well put. If we hadnt signed up, we'd be unrecognisable in future compared to where we've been in the last 5-10 years, thats assuming that we survived the debt mountain (which I'm not sure we would have done)
 
Baleforce said:
Agreed, and to be honest, I don’t care about the domestic pyramid, I care about Spurs, this is good for us, the alternative is no Spurs.

I’m not going to slum it at a lower league club, I’ve been to hundreds of lower level games, it’s brick.
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Domestic pyramid is the life , blood and soul of football in this country. From 6 year olds to elite football it’s all linked.

ESL is a soulless Americanisation of the sport. It does not matter what happens on the pitch as long as the owners get rich.
 
Really don't care that it may make us more successful, any success would feel as false as City's. I care far more about being champions of this country btw, and if we were allowed to stay in the PL would we even take it seriously anymore or would it become s distraction like the Domestic Cups are seen as?
 
Raziel said:
The response to this is amazing, so many people really know brick all about big business or even modern football

- This is not a negotiation play, that has been tried before and UEFA and FA played high and mighty, e.g. this season allowing the smaller clubs to vote against 5 subs rule, perfect example of endangering players (read investments) and limiting the more successful clubs for no logical reason.
- The funding has been sourced (JP Morgan), people don't put up $3.5B on a gamble/tactic
- The best lawyers in the world have probably reviewing this for six months, pretty sure they have figured out any attempt to ban/punish players/clubs will lead to the lawsuit of a lifetime

Here's the key for people

- You cannot expect organizations to invest billions of dollars (infrastructure/players/marketing) into something with no attempt to limit the risk.
- This is the American sports model, billions in, huge revenue but the owners/investors must be protected

Re the fan reaction

- wtf? you care about UEFA, if we stepped out our domestic leagues I could see a reaction but who the fudge cares about a UEFA brick show that has been rebranded a hundred times anyway?
- And I'm sure the same set who want Levy/ENIC to spend more, us to compete -> this is our chance
- Sorry, been trying to explain this for years, your ticket, your local tv rights gives you zero fudging leverage over the top clubs, the audience they are selling to (e.g 50M+ South Koreans watching Son) don't want to see Norwich/Forest/Fulham/whoever, they want to see the 15 names that were listed play each other ..
- Integrity of the FA? fudging hilarious, does someone actually believe that?

@harr1984 is right, Levy has played an absolute blinder, the sides left out of this are dead.
- This isn't about history or success (see point above), it's about brand recognition and we have done that really well in last decade (and oddly enough, Jose probably has helped despite opposite results)

From a Spurs perspective this is brilliant

- Money for infrastructure investments and Covid losses
- Guaranteed income and more control over our rights
- In the most high prestige competition in world football every year

Yes, we may struggle against some of these teams, but the money and competition will make us better.
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I really don't like this from a sporting perspective but this is a fantastic post.

If I ran a football club or any business, I'd be wanting to insulate myself from risk as much as possible and maximise my earning power. That's what the big boys have done here. It should be no surprise to anyone. The risk of missing out on CL because you've had a bad season or on having to share the spoils with the clubs from smaller leagues is not in the interests of Tottenham Hotspur. And all Levy cares about, as a businessman and I believe as a fan, is Tottenham Hotspur.
 
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