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Eric Dier

Bedfordspurs said:
So where did wanyama play? they played 36 games together in wanyama first season here
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That season he played CB alot as Toby (mainly) and Jan picked up alot of Injuries. So he was used as a utility player.
Then Mousa and Wanyama hardly played many games together at the same time, so Dier partner either of them as required.

In fact when we did play a back 3, it was usually Sanchez/Winner with Toby and Jan, hardly ever Dier.
So Dier was always a regular, but not in a back 3.
 
Finney Is Back said:
All better players than Eric Dier IMO. Anyway, Dier being in our SQUAD would be OK, Dier being first choice is anything but.
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totalspurs said:
All three were way better than Dier.

At Diet's peak, he was made by Poch as a DM. The system made him, he

There was no way he was gonna play as CB when we had Toby and Jan....and we were where we were because we had two of the best CB's in the the Prem.

The moment they had to retire and we moved Dier back into Defence you could see how much we have declined.

We need good/top quality CB's to be able to compete at the top....and Dier is no where near that and never has been.

He should be what Sanchez is to us at the moment, cover from the bench when we need it.... That's the level we need to compete at the top again.
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Disagree, Dier is easily as good as any of those players mentioned.

The defence had declined way before Dier was moved back and there are a number of reasons it has declined, trying to blame it all on Dier smacks of an agenda. Jan and Toby had declined already, all their replacements are a drop from their peak, not only Dier, the FBs aren't as good as Rose and Walker. The midfield had decline as well and don't provide the same protection and the system changes has meant that our defence is under a lot more pressure than previously. Thankfully the last couple of windows are a step towards changing this.

As I have said, ideally Dier should be a squad player to cover a number of positions with a top quality CB starting instead.
 
totalspurs said:
That season he played CB alot as Toby (mainly) and Jan picked up alot of Injuries. So he was used as a utility player.
Then Mousa and Wanyama hardly played many games together at the same time, so Dier partner either of them as required.

In fact when we did play a back 3, it was usually Sanchez/Winner with Toby and Jan, hardly ever Dier.
So Dier was always a regular, but not in a back 3.
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Yea I thought our back 3 under Poch was mainly Jan-Sanchez-Toby and it looked pretty good tbf. Think the 2 CM ahead of them were a combo of Wanyama, Dier and Moussa.

man, that was a solid side we built!
 
thfcsteff said:
He is most certainly good enough for a side chasing top 4 given he has been part of a generation which saw us become a top 4 regular. Where I agree is we need a step up to actually win trophies.
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Since he's started regularly playing at CB we have finished in the top 4 once out of three occasions and likely once out of four occasions at this season's end. For me that's not too 4 quality and tbf we did say top 4 chasing but to solidify it, for me he's top 4 calibre. None of our rivals would sign him if he were available. None are trying to poach him. If he played for Arsenal we wouldn't look at him wistfully wishing that he was our player.

He's ok, often bad and we need better.

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Bishop said:
Since he's started regularly playing at CB we have finished in the top 4 once out of three occasions and likely once out of four occasions at this season's end. For me that's not too 4 quality and tbf we did say top 4 chasing but to solidify it, for me he's top 4 calibre. None of our rivals would sign him if he were available. None are trying to poach him. If he played for Arsenal we wouldn't look at him wistfully wishing that he was our player.

He's ok, often bad and we need better.

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Likewise, each of the top 4 contenders has players that we wouldn't want to poach
 
DubSpur said:
So you'd want the likes of Holding, McTominay, and half the Saudi Sportswashing Machine team.
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Rob Holding is not a regular starter for Arsenal. United aren't a top 4 side, they may finish there this season likewise Saudi Sportswashing Machine. That's a weak argument. If you mentioned City or Liverpool layers then fair enough.

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Bishop said:
Rob Holding is not a regular starter for Arsenal. United aren't a top 4 side, they may finish there this season likewise Saudi Sportswashing Machine. That's a weak argument. If you mentioned City or Liverpool layers then fair enough.

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Bishop said:
Rob Holding is not a regular starter for Arsenal. United aren't a top 4 side, they may finish there this season likewise Saudi Sportswashing Machine. That's a weak argument. If you mentioned City or Liverpool layers then fair enough.

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Utd and Saudi Sportswashing Machine are going to be competing for top 4 for the foreseeable future, they are top 4 sides. Mention Liverpool? They are nowhere near a top 4 side at the moment, they need a complete rebuild.
If you want to use Liverpool then, Henderson, Nunez, Gomez, and can include the likes of VVD that are finished.
 
Bishop said:
Those players aren't usually in their starting 11 though.
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Gabriel is a liability protected by an effervescent forward line and an energetic, smart midfield, as well as a system which deflects from his faults. I wouldn't want Matip or VVD right now personally (I have sympathy for VVD, he is just shot physically IMO), I think if you put Dan Burn or even Batman in our current side they'd suffer every bit as much, if not more, than the current incumbents. Utd's first-choice look pretty solid (again put them in our system/side, etc, etc) and Emirates Marketing Project have nurtured Ake to a the player he potentially always was, and Akjani is a player I wanted us to sign!
 
thfcsteff said:
Gabriel is a liability protected by an effervescent forward line and an energetic, smart midfield, as well as a system which deflects from his faults. I wouldn't want Matip or VVD right now personally (I have sympathy for VVD, he is just shot physically IMO), I think if you put Dan Burn or even Batman in our current side they'd suffer every bit as much, if not more, than the current incumbents. Utd's first-choice look pretty solid (again put them in our system/side, etc, etc) and Emirates Marketing Project have nurtured Ake to a the player he potentially always was, and Akjani is a player I wanted us to sign!
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Wow... That's all I've got to say...
 
DeanoAustin said:
Curtis Jones, Matip, TAA, Nunez, Jota. Wouldn't touch any of them. And before anyone raves about TAA, he's a great footballer but the least defensively aware defender I've ever seen.
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Nunez is going to score a lot of goals in this league, don’t let first season syndrome fool you - he has the physicality for this league and will be really good long term. Anyway, the discussion was originally top 4 level sides - how the fudge did we get onto Liverpool :D…..
 
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