You trust subjective judgement over measured, objective, facts, compiled by OPTA and expect me to take any of the other points seriously?
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Eric Dier
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Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I think Toby has lost it myself
Can’t run and can’t jump
It’s a demise we saw with Verts
The Everton game was classic legs for me which is such a shame for a guy who has been brilliant
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parklane1
Tony Galvin
Sorry to say that i agree, he looks lost at times and his awareness/ reading of the game ( which was always one of his biggest strengths) seems to have gone.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Is gladly glady be wrong but to me it just looks like what we have seen before
I do think though coming into a team that’s riding high will work out better for him
That Everton game we looked well well off the pace
He's fast in the same way that a boulder's fast if you roll it down a steep hill.
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
Ok much like your views on anything from Boris to BLM, I'm happy to differ from you in my views on things.
So we agree you're wrong?
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
Yeah you’re right Dier is an amazing CB, Boris is a great leader and WLM.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
When was our last clean sheet with Dier out of interest?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I don't know.
Dier has played every minute in the PL so far, only two teams have conceded less than us. Our xG against is looking fairly good all things considered.
Small sample size, though our defensive record towards the end of last season was also fairly good with only 3 teams conceding fewer than us after the restart.
Not quite good enough perhaps. Room for improvement for sure. If Dier can step up or not is one question, but for right now it's alright at least.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Yeah he’s been ok so far, not great but not terrible. Think we definitely need better than him and Sanchez long term unless they both improve significantly. I only asked about the clean sheets because we seemed to do alright without him when he was suspended at the end of last season. 10 points from 12 and two clean sheets. And we’ve not had one since he came back IIRC?
Bullet
Andy Thompson
To paraphrase LutonSpurs; you're being irrational and uneducated
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I'm not sure looking at clean sheets over a small sample is particularly useful. Why look at that instead of goals conceded, shots against or xG against?
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Was merely an observation over the last 15-20 games or so that we haven’t kept many clean sheets with Dier in at CB. There are times you need to eek out a 1-0 win. Shots against or goals conceded I’ll give you. xG is the biggest load of nonsense ever.
Why is shots against acceptable but a more refined version of the same stat not?
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Aston Villa’s xG against Liverpool was 3.35 I read somewhere. Granted a couple of their goals were deflections but they should have scored at least 3 or 4 more. They could have scored 10 with the clear cut chances they had.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
Therin is the point! COULD have. Because every chance isn't converted! That's the whole point of xG! It shows how many goals a team is expected to score, in relation to the chances they created, thus giving a fairly accurate perspective of what the score should be.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I’m fully aware of how xG works. Whether it’s “accurate” is subjective really.
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Doesn't seem like you are going by your other post.
'Should' have scored 3 or 4 more on top of the 7 goals they did score, 10 or 11 goals in one game of football - truly that performance must have been the pinnacle of the modern game if they should have scored that many over 90 minutes as you never see a score line like that, like ever... even the 7 they did score is an irregularity. How often have Liverpool, City, Chelsea or ourselves (when flying) pulled off score lines like that over the last few years? Off the top of my head nothing leaps out. Could it be that the chances that you think should be reflected as a 1 in xg in reality aren't actually that high which is he reason why we don't regularly see games with those sorts of scorelines?
Regardless you seem to accept earlier that shots against is a valid measure of how a defence is doing but the more refined Xg stat which attempts to sort the 30 yard hit and hopes from the gilt edged one on ones isn't- which doesn't really make sense as it shows how many big chances a defence us giving away, whether you agree with the metrics or not.
'Should' have scored 3 or 4 more on top of the 7 goals they did score, 10 or 11 goals in one game of football - truly that performance must have been the pinnacle of the modern game if they should have scored that many over 90 minutes as you never see a score line like that, like ever... even the 7 they did score is an irregularity. How often have Liverpool, City, Chelsea or ourselves (when flying) pulled off score lines like that over the last few years? Off the top of my head nothing leaps out. Could it be that the chances that you think should be reflected as a 1 in xg in reality aren't actually that high which is he reason why we don't regularly see games with those sorts of scorelines?
Regardless you seem to accept earlier that shots against is a valid measure of how a defence is doing but the more refined Xg stat which attempts to sort the 30 yard hit and hopes from the gilt edged one on ones isn't- which doesn't really make sense as it shows how many big chances a defence us giving away, whether you agree with the metrics or not.
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Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Shots on goal can be slightly misleading if the team are just taking pot shots from outside the area. xG is far more subjective. Anyone watching that game last week will tell you villa should have scored more than 3.35 goals which is what xG worked out they should have scored. I’m hardly alone in being critical of xG really. It’s true sometimes teams score 6 or 7 when every shot seems to go in but I’m sure there’s plenty of other examples where xG has underestimated how many goals a team should have scored. Honestly, I feel like I could write “COYS I love Spurs” and you’d find a way to disagree somehow
yeah but WHY do you think that? Doesn’t seem like it computes with the metrics from your previous posts.aaaaanyway back to Dier. He’s been slightly better this season but going forward I don’t think he’s the answer unless he keeps improving.