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Jon said:
Agree. We seem to be doing lots of waiting and waiting on initially promising players, until they become really well known and eventually end up going for a fortune. At which point we can say ‘oh well, we were just priced out the market by the big boys’!
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Would be nice to seem to try something different.

The current tactic isn’t really working as the last few windows show.
 
Legohamster said:
Would be nice to seem to try something different.

The current tactic isn’t really working as the last few windows show.
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The alternative is to go in early and pay over the odds to secure a player in transfer fee and wages and I'm not sure the club can or is willing to operate in that manner.
 
nayenezgani said:
Why would he lie about it though? If the stadium meant we couldn't buy players for a while, surely he'd use that as the perfect excuse, particularity given the backlash following the last two windows?

The fact that he doesn't says to me that we simply haven't been able to do the right deals. It's what Poch has said all along too.

What does he have to gain by lying?
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Firstly it’s not just money, it’s time and focus. If Levy is dealing with Mace and a million and one things to do with the build that is less time to negotiate cunning transfers. Secondly, he more or less says we need to sell to buy (for our targets which are presumably more than the cash we have). We’ve known we needed to sell to buy for some time.


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nayenezgani said:
Why would he lie about it though? If the stadium meant we couldn't buy players for a while, surely he'd use that as the perfect excuse, particularity given the backlash following the last two windows?

The fact that he doesn't says to me that we simply haven't been able to do the right deals. It's what Poch has said all along too.

What does he have to gain by lying?
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Being seen as weak financially will put the club at a disadvantage when entering each and every commercial deal

It would hasten clubs interested in our players to make approaches for them and would mean it's harder to sell the clubs short to medium term potential to players here who we want to keep.

Whereas there's zero tangible benefit to counteract those points from what i can see - those supporters who want to complain about our position will do so anyway and will soon forget being told the 'truth' on finances by the club.
 
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nayenezgani said:
Why would he lie about it though? If the stadium meant we couldn't buy players for a while, surely he'd use that as the perfect excuse, particularity given the backlash following the last two windows?

The fact that he doesn't says to me that we simply haven't been able to do the right deals. It's what Poch has said all along too.

What does he have to gain by lying?
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This for me as well, why open himself up to the abuse he gets from a few fans because he has not made the moves in the transfer market they desire.
 
Gazzasrightboot said:
My feeling on these "sexy" "typical spurs" etc... type comments are well known but I just thought as everyone has had a say, I will reiterate my position.

I hate it. Despise it even. It's just so defeatist in its nature, to suggest that the Gods are against us. The fact is that it is not true. Luck has had nothing to do with where we have found ourselves in recent times. The reason why I say this is because I don't believe in luck. It's not helpful - not to anyone. There is no benefit to to thinking of things in the form of luck or unluckiness.

I understand the notion of why this "sexy" comment has arisen. We missed out on Champions League because of lasagne, Chelsea winning the European Cup in a season they underperformed in the league and losing to Emirates Marketing Project pre-Mansour. Then of course there is the Man United result when we went 3 nil up. I'm going to take each of these in turn:

1. Dodgy lasagne or not - We finished that season where we were supposed to finish. In that season, a lot of teams would have suffered from bouts of illness that spread within their team. It's a random act, and, for the conspiracy theorists out there, even if we assume that it was a deliberate ploy, then luck had nothing to do with it. We were just unprepared!

2. Chelsea winning the European Cup - It's not the first time that a team has won the CL and not finishing in CL finishing places. Liverpool did the same. Yes, Everton got in as well but that was where the precedent was made that affected our participation. We knew the rules, and we just didn't do well enough. Luck had nothing to do with it.

3. Emirates Marketing Project result - We were just fragile. Our team crumbled and we're not the first team to do it, won't be the last, and it will happen again to us. It happens to other clubs, and I would argue that that result was as a function of the fact that we had a losing meteorology at the club.

And this is why I hate "sexy". It's a losing meteorology. It's a losing meteorology because it factors in things like being unlucky into its thinking, as if to say there's no point in trying to improve ourselves as luck will just take it away. gonad*s. More often than not, you get what you deserve. Toss a coin enough times and it will be even heads or tails. We did not qualify for CL, we did not win cups, we lost matches because we were not good enough. That's it. Luck had nothing to do with it.

The reason why we think it happens to us more than other clubs is as a result of a number of reasons. First, we are acutely aware of what happens to us and not as aware of what happens to other clubs. Second, we are the ones that have consistently been challenging for CL and just missed out. Are Liverpool unlucky that they fell out of the top 4? No. They became brick, lost their manager and entered into a phase of rebuilding. We just so happen to be in that phase every 2-3 years in our hope of breaking the top 4. A top 4 where all of those clubs have bigger resources than us. Are Aston Villa luckier than us because they've never had Lasagne gate? Well no, they've never even challenged. Are Leeds unlucky to have dropped out of the PL and almost out of existence? No, they're where they are because they were stupid.

If we are labelled unlucky because we have been THE club that has consistently challenged the top 4 and narrowly missed out then I'd rather be that way then not even challenge. It's a tough ask to break the top 4 and win a cup. We've come close. So many teams have not even done that. We're the club with the fifth biggest resources. More often than not, we will finish fifth. Sometimes we will finish higher (as there are other factors at play rather than just resources to do well in the league). Sometimes we will finish lower (because of the same reason). Luck just is not one of those things.

If sexy means daring to punch above your weight, then so be it. But, to think we are an unlucky team is a loser attitude. More often than not, you get what you deserve in this world.
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I have no idea where the term “ S p u r s y” came from or who coined the term but I don’t believe it’s anything to do with luck. For me, it messing up good positions and opportunities and falling short at the last or second to last hurdle. Losing 5-1 to Saudi Sportswashing Machine on the final day of the season in 2015/16. Ok finishing in 3rd place after being second for so long isn’t unheard of and teams often become demoralised when the title is gone but to lose as we did so spectacularly, against a team of 10 men who had been relegated doesn’t look great does it?!

If you ask me would i rather be in our position or someone like West Ham or Everton for example then of course I’d rather be in our position. We’ve wrestled our way to become a player at the top table in arguably the toughest league in the world. That said, we often freeze and fall short when we have a chance to achieve something or put pressure on title rivals. I worry that the Burnley game was a turning point for the season and Poch losing it was simply frustration on his part as he knew the title was gone. Reminds me of the Gallas meltdown when he played for scum and cried on the pitch at St. Andrews. Ok Poch didn’t cry and it wasn’t anywhere near as embarrassing but it would appear that the Burnley loss was a psychological blow to the club. And don’t forget we had our best player and talisman returning from injury but we didn’t turn up.
 
milo said:
That'll happen when someone offers £3.5bn not because half a dozen people stand outside the club shop with some banners.
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Yeah fully aware of that. Although they won’t get £3.5bn if we don’t progress and get close to where we were a few years ago.
 
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