Only 3 of our managers have got it (under enic, only bill nich otherwise) . Some of the others stayed on longer than missing it.
But yes cl is huge for levy.
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Only 3 of our managers have got it (under enic, only bill nich otherwise) . Some of the others stayed on longer than missing it.
But yes cl is huge for levy.
Nah it seems quite clear to me the stuff being said is about lowering expectations as we're not as close as maybe we thought we were after pulling top 4 out of the bag last season - the tone in pressers don't come across as combatative with the higher ups like it has when he spoke out at Chelsea & Inter previously it's almost the opposite, the team isn't at that level yet/more windows needed/expectations need to lowered.
Re entitled, if the response from some Spurs supporters is to protest against the owners when we are in the fight for 4th rather than being higher then yes i very much consider that to be entitled. There are 6 very strong clubs in this league, 7 with Saudi Sportswashing Machine now on the scene and there's no reason for us to expect to be higher than at least 3 of them as a given each season, is there?
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Or it could be that what he says is true and there aren't mind games.
- he's happy.
- the squad and club needs a lot of improvement. (Last season).
- it will take years. (Last season).
- it would be a miracle to get top 4 (last season).
- we've built the foundation.
- we need to go on, by buying top quality players. 1 or 2 £50/60/70m players each window to compete.
Not sure any of us would really disagree?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
i reckon twitter has unblocked some accounts of macarons
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Well, the thing holding us back from being a 'very strong club in this league' able to compete with the others is the owners, so it makes sense that fans want them out when we fall behind the others.
To me it isn't entitlement, it's a recognition that ENIC are generally the limiting factor to how much we can actually compete. I applaud them for their investment in the summer, but that it was blown out of the water by five other clubs in the window alone just shows how limited their capabilities are in that respect, even when they're trying. And I think folks are seeing that.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
I doubt anyone disagrees that is what we need. I think people disagree that ENIC will provide that.
Take this window - Arse spent 100m in the summer and will spend a brickton more on some Ukrainian kid who they have determined will improve them.
Are you confident we'll take the plunge on a 60m/70m player this window as Conte wants?
And if not, is that not proving that he isn't getting what he's asking for?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
The recent Rule the Roost pod absolutely nails the issues and challenges we have
I remember the Chelsea 5-1 league cup win despite losing my glasses in the limbs and getting very, very drunk. The train journey hike that night was about 100 of us singing in a buffet car big enough for about 10 people…
I remember when we first got back into Europa in the Europa. It was an achievement and like winning a cup. We could go to far flung places like Germany and Spain and watch Tottenham… my photos form that era are not great but the memories are
I also remember city away and crouched goal. I smashed a glass in my own hand in the rose in town. We literally had beer going everywhere. What a night
I went to young boys away. Cost a fortune…. We lost. It was brick but hearing the CL music, what’s little hair I had started to raise up. Those games were amazing that year. I went to Madrid and Milan too and spent a relative fortune. The sound of the CL song and the kids bouncing the flag/ball thing was immense.
I was at city away in the quarter finals… never expected us to win. fudge me, what a night.
I didn’t go to Amsterdam as I promised my Nephew I’d watch the game with him. I celebrated like a mad man that night and injured myself falling into a fire place. I couldn’t sleep that night and went to work like a zombie. Everyone, and I mean everyone who knew me congratulated me on what my club had done. It was the impossible. Something I had never dreamed of. We got the final of the hardest competition in the world, the hardest way possible too.
the final was brick and I’ve never seen it back. I went to that game too and it such a pan anti climax
but those games and those moments were success. They were all upping the bar of what’s acceptable now as a level
Tottenham not in Europe now would be bloody odd and a failure
I still say if we had a few fa cups in the last ten years it wouldn’t make one jot of difference to signing players whereas CL does. Being in Europe certainly is a differentiator
now when we in the CL it doesn’t have the same shine or gloss as We have been there, seen it, done it
Cup finals when I grew up were huge events. Now they are random occasions with team I can’t remember. I know pool won the two cups last year but I can’t tell you who they played, who scored and I know their fans thought the season wasn’t a success as they were targeting the big trophies
expectations change but football has to be about the moments, the one off games that we remember, the great goals that we still talk about today.
the fans moaning about ENIC are the same fans that fans of clubs like Everton, villa, Forrest all laugh about. Those clubs would have loved to have the moments we have had in the last 20 years
I’ll also add that under ENIC we will never win the biggest trophies. The game is skewed by extreme money and unless you have it to spend you can’t win those trophies. Yes there are random anomalies, but they are as rare as a happy spurs fan
do we need owners with deeper pockets now? Yes, 100%
Do we want owners who rule a country with very very unsavoury views on many aspects of the modern world? No.
But I can’t see what the alternative is. There may be a consortium like Chelsea but that doesn’t mean that will be made up of great people.
we all know that in football if your not moving forwards every season you rapidly go backwards. Personally I just want to enjoy the ride
I remember the Chelsea 5-1 league cup win despite losing my glasses in the limbs and getting very, very drunk. The train journey hike that night was about 100 of us singing in a buffet car big enough for about 10 people…
I remember when we first got back into Europa in the Europa. It was an achievement and like winning a cup. We could go to far flung places like Germany and Spain and watch Tottenham… my photos form that era are not great but the memories are
I also remember city away and crouched goal. I smashed a glass in my own hand in the rose in town. We literally had beer going everywhere. What a night
I went to young boys away. Cost a fortune…. We lost. It was brick but hearing the CL music, what’s little hair I had started to raise up. Those games were amazing that year. I went to Madrid and Milan too and spent a relative fortune. The sound of the CL song and the kids bouncing the flag/ball thing was immense.
I was at city away in the quarter finals… never expected us to win. fudge me, what a night.
I didn’t go to Amsterdam as I promised my Nephew I’d watch the game with him. I celebrated like a mad man that night and injured myself falling into a fire place. I couldn’t sleep that night and went to work like a zombie. Everyone, and I mean everyone who knew me congratulated me on what my club had done. It was the impossible. Something I had never dreamed of. We got the final of the hardest competition in the world, the hardest way possible too.
the final was brick and I’ve never seen it back. I went to that game too and it such a pan anti climax
but those games and those moments were success. They were all upping the bar of what’s acceptable now as a level
Tottenham not in Europe now would be bloody odd and a failure
I still say if we had a few fa cups in the last ten years it wouldn’t make one jot of difference to signing players whereas CL does. Being in Europe certainly is a differentiator
now when we in the CL it doesn’t have the same shine or gloss as We have been there, seen it, done it
Cup finals when I grew up were huge events. Now they are random occasions with team I can’t remember. I know pool won the two cups last year but I can’t tell you who they played, who scored and I know their fans thought the season wasn’t a success as they were targeting the big trophies
expectations change but football has to be about the moments, the one off games that we remember, the great goals that we still talk about today.
the fans moaning about ENIC are the same fans that fans of clubs like Everton, villa, Forrest all laugh about. Those clubs would have loved to have the moments we have had in the last 20 years
I’ll also add that under ENIC we will never win the biggest trophies. The game is skewed by extreme money and unless you have it to spend you can’t win those trophies. Yes there are random anomalies, but they are as rare as a happy spurs fan
do we need owners with deeper pockets now? Yes, 100%
Do we want owners who rule a country with very very unsavoury views on many aspects of the modern world? No.
But I can’t see what the alternative is. There may be a consortium like Chelsea but that doesn’t mean that will be made up of great people.
we all know that in football if your not moving forwards every season you rapidly go backwards. Personally I just want to enjoy the ride
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
The majority of it is over 20 years out.
We could treat it like an endowment mortgage, invest to snowball our contributions for when the bullet payment is called for.
Even the most basic of investments an instant access savings account is currently paying the same rates our bonds average out at.
Plus you have to consider what £850m will look like in 2045. Probably only buy you a top striker by then.
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Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
You forgot to add after “is the owners” the words “who aren’t as rich as the countries or people subsidising the spending of the other clubs.
your last paragraph almost works but the idiots in the ENIC out twitter phalanx are generally brain dead people who would still dont understand that Levy owns a big part of club when they demand he sacks himself. They are fudging macarons who couldn’t balance a cheque book imo
Our problem is quite simple. We don’t have owners who are subsidising the club. We have owners who put the money the club earns back into the club. That’s it. It’s really, really , really simple and exactly how all clubs should be run. Unfortunately we don’t insist as a league/country that football clubs operate like that so everything is fudged.
We need new owners now to be more competitive, but what clubs don’t need new owners
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Weirdly though arsenal know what the fee is to get him, and they havent paid it… weird eh
Their fans aren’t moaning as they are top though
Imagine paying £80m and he turns out to be Pepe rather than Ronaldo
Arsenal tend to run the club well and within their means. He a few season lately they have had to chuck money in, but that was for the first time in a very very long time
They know any transfer is a risk and big money one can have a HUGE impact if it goes wrong
No disagreement. Just wish we had proper spending controls rather than expecting an owner to foot the bill. Just becomes a game of who has the richest owner.
There's only one club who can currently realistically be upset at 'only' being in the fight for 4th and that's Emirates Marketing Project
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Bravo. Nailed it, for me at least.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Thanks
I think I’m like most fans in that I love the highs and the lows can really take it out on me (and sometimes I take it out on my family by snapping at the least important things)
but Tottenham is a drug to me
move been going since I was 5
Season ticket for 19 years now I think
I take my kids, my nephews, neighbours kids. Even given tickets to a friend of our cleaner.
If it was always good then the highs wouldn’t be as great. The stupid songs and dancing. The drinking with my mates (some barely go at all now and a few lads are no longer with us and I’m 46).
if we won one league title, just one, I’d be made for life
that CL was amazing until kick off. Actually it wasn’t because they had imagine dragons on before hand using flame throwers in an already twisting stadium … mental. But the experience and trip remains with me until I lose the plot.
Getting in to the stadium for the CL final was a nightmare, sun beating down on us while we were held/queued for what felt like 2 hours + no water available, hanging from the night before and the days drinking starting to wear off. Then after the game that horrendous walk to find any form of bar or shop on the way back to town to drown our sorrows. Ended up staying on the floor of my Dads apartment and not sleeping due to my mate snoring his head off like a jackhammer - brick day/night all round really from the moment we left town for the stadium
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
But if you went there as a fan it would be have been a great experience
And genuinely memorable
I have a mate who went to the kappa cup in Seville… when ever we go away it’s what he talks about
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Was the worst experience of my Spurs supporting life, was awful from start to finish !!