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Dele Alli

braineclipse said:
Agreed, but that's currently, there is definitely a way for Alli to force his way in ahead of Lamela. Unlike with Ndombele who is a force of nature. And Lamela will most likely get injured just as he's hitting firm anyway.
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But he would have to stop getting booked for diving first . Thag cost him a chance to be more physical later on
 
StephenH said:
He has started 1 game all season. He cant be expected to be match fit. Dele is the new Luke Shaw
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Not in the slightest but he has not hit his initial heights as a player that burst on to the scene. He looks a long long way off being that player.

I would have expected some sort of anything from him last night but he trudged along like Bale looking like he was just going through the motions.
 
Gazza said:
So funny how some post about Mourinho being past it as a manager and that his historic pedigree counts for nothing, even though I'm sure he won a cup or two in his last occupancy... yet want to give dele some sort of pass because of his history for us ...

At the very least it can be said that Mourinhos past it and still won things that any manager would take. Whereas Dele looks shockingly poor, not even average over the last year or so.

He possibly needs a move to revive his career. There is a player there for sure but perhaps his heart isn't in it at spurs.

I'd happy sell and replace rather than having this urge or willingness for him to miraculously turn things around.

He doesn't fit into the current managers plans, and I think it's only fair on all parties that he is moved on.
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Other than Harry who does fit his plans?
 
Gazza said:
Not in the slightest but he has not hit his initial heights as a player that burst on to the scene. He looks a long long way off being that player.

I would have expected some sort of anything from him last night but he trudged along like Bale looking like he was just going through the motions.
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There's a clue there
 
Gazza said:
Sonny, Reguilon, Ndombele PEH, GLC and lamela (when fit) .. you know the players that have given maximum effort without many brain farts or lack of concentration
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So Harry + 3.5 fit players. Ndombele only has an hour in the majority of the time.
 
Gazza said:
Not in the slightest but he has not hit his initial heights as a player that burst on to the scene. He looks a long long way off being that player.

I would have expected some sort of anything from him last night but he trudged along like Bale looking like he was just going through the motions.
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the thing is he doesn't have to be as good as he was at his peak to be an effective player or of some use to us - no ones contributing to our goals coloum other than Son & Kane. in 25 legue games last season he scored 8 goals, we've played 22 so far this season and i think 7/8 goals extra would have benefitted us somewhat
 
StephenH said:
He has started 1 game all season. He cant be expected to be match fit. Dele is the new Luke Shaw
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No one expects him to be match fit, but we can expect him to show some effort and not treat the game as its a kick around on the public park. Listen we all know he has talent but there comes a time when you need to see more in the way of effort.
 
billyiddo said:
the thing is he doesn't have to be as good as he was at his peak to be an effective player or of some use to us - no ones contributing to our goals coloum other than Son & Kane. in 25 legue games last season he scored 8 goals, we've played 22 so far this season and i think 7/8 goals extra would have benefitted us somewhat
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On current for and application does he look like he will even get 8 shots on target?

But I think we do need a midfield player that can play to the system and chip in with goals. Bergwijn has had plenty of chances to chip in, but even then he is darting around the pitch showing massive effort or is involved in building up some threats.
 
Gazza said:
On current for and application does he look like he will even get 8 shots on target?

But I think we do need a midfield player that can play to the system and chip in with goals. Bergwijn has had plenty of chances to chip in, but even then he is darting around the pitch showing massive effort or is involved in building up some threats.
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depends what you deem current form, last time he was played regulalry he was contributing - this season in the cup he was involved in creating a lot of chances. can you judge 'form' on one sub appearence?
 
billyiddo said:
the thing is he doesn't have to be as good as he was at his peak to be an effective player or of some use to us - no ones contributing to our goals coloum other than Son & Kane. in 25 legue games last season he scored 8 goals, we've played 22 so far this season and i think 7/8 goals extra would have benefitted us somewhat
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Compared to the contribution Ndombele made in that role so far this season he would definitely have to get better than that to warrant regular starts.

Now that Ndombele is deemed ready to move deeper I think you're right. Depends a bit on how GLC looks when back from injury though.

The question remains what the "falling out" between him and Mourinho was about and of that has been resolved. My interpretation of that and his performance yesterday makes me somewhat optimistic, though I see that others have a very different view of things.
 
parklane1 said:
No one expects him to be match fit, but we can expect him to show some effort and not treat the game as its a kick around on the public park. Listen we all know he has talent but there comes a time when you need to see more in the way of effort.
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Again, I don’t know where the rhetoric that he didn’t put in any effort comes from?
 
billyiddo said:
depends what you deem current form, last time he was played regulalry he was contributing - this season in the cup he was involved in creating a lot of chances. can you judge 'form' on one sub appearence?
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Not naive or silly enough to judge him on one game. But wait a minute, you were saying that we have had easy cup games and doesn't prove anything about Mourinho, at the very least we have won all the games bar last night. Dele i can safely say has not contributed in any of those games against opposition that should be "easy wins".
 
Finney Is Back said:
Again, I don’t know where the rhetoric that he didn’t put in any effort comes from?
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Come on man he strolled through that game, i know he is not match fit but you would think he would want to give all he had so he could stick two fingers up at Jose. It was a game made for him ( end to end, with lots of space) but as i say the effort to do just that was not there.
 
Gazza said:
Not naive or silly enough to judge him on one game. But wait a minute, you were saying that we have had easy cup games and doesn't prove anything about Mourinho, at the very least we have won all the games bar last night. Dele i can safely say has not contributed in any of those games against opposition that should be "easy wins".
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ill say the same for Dele in the cup games as i do for Mourinho - you can only beat what's in front of you and what was in front of us should have been beaten. It seems like you want to praise Mourinho for steering us through the cups but not the players who helped us do so in this case?
 
I have seen Dele play some fantastic games where he has harrassed, pressed for 90 minutes with some serious intent. He has not bust a lung for the team. Even yesterday I was willing him on to press and challenge players with the ball but he was far too casual.

I like Dele and really want him to be that focal player again, but not seen any glimpse of that effort required to make a change currently.
 
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