I will say I think Davies is deceptively productive going forward, not as fast or strong running positively with the ball but definitely has the eye for a pass and has popped up with the odd goal too....
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Danny Rose
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@nayim You're reading me wrong or taking my posts too literal i think - i dont get the time to type lengthy responses/posts during the day so tend to shoot from the hip more - so in my previous post ive tried to condense the argument down to what i see as the key points/differences and followed on from you saying how every time Trippier puts in a cross you're glad he's there and not Walker - for me everytime he puts in a cross im wishing Walker was there 10-20 yards further forward getting in behind the opponents and causing panic and by proxy making our central players job easier
StephenH
David Ginola
I know the tune!...........but that's about it.
Trippier has a better end product, of course, However, Walker was more direct and would get into better-attacking positions freeing up space for the likes of Dele to exploit. One of the reasons Dele is way off this season
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I see the argument a lot, I just dont buy it.
Trippier makes plenty of runs. Over laps a lot, moves inside and outside a lot - and is a constant outlet.
Thats not to say Walker didnt. It is to say Trippier DOES. The argument is always structured as if its some magical ability Walker possesses that we are now missing. Which just isnt true.
And, while he may at times be more direct (if thats even quantifiable?) that you resort to "it makes space for others..." is damning with feint praise.
Trippier undoubtedly does more with the ball. And he does plenty with out it, including runs that make space. Surely thats a net positive on "is direct and makes space".
Speaking specifically in an attacking sense, of course. Right now Walker is the superior defender without question IMO.
As to Alli? Fullbacks arent the first place I would look as to why he isnt performing. I think the issue primarily centres with him, and secondly with those behind him.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
I hope you’re right mate, I fear you’re wrong. He needs to complain in a locked toilet, where no ‘journos’ can ‘hear him’ IMO!!!!
p.s. I said ‘toilet’ but could be any small space where no-one else can get in!!!!!???!!!!![emoji15][emoji51]
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90291Spur
Paul Walsh
Have you seen Rose recently? 'small space' will not suffice. Unless it's full of pizza.
Gazzasrightboot
Pascal Chimbonda
Personally speaking I would rather Rose stay. Having said that if Poch deems that Rose should go (whether it Man United or not) I would agree with his decision. Rose and Walker are both good if not fantastic full backs, there is no doubt about that. But they were not great team mates. For Walker to say he wanted to leave when we are on a title push, just says it all. For Rose to make his comments in the manner that he did, says it all. Do we really want players like that in our team? Can that even be conducive to good squad harmony?
Trippier, Aurier and Davies may not be as good as them at the moment, but the difference is not enough to put up with that sort of behaviour. That's the decision that Poch needs to make. When have either Walker or Rose single-handedly won us a game? When have either of them lifted the team when everyone else was playing bad? Then whilst they were good players before Poch, it was only with Poch that they got to these heights. Look what Mourinho and others did to Shaw who showed equal if not more promise at a younger age. Poch will be able to do the same with other players and that is just part and parcel of being in a club like ours.
I hope Rose stays and knuckles down and produces. But if he moves on, I wouldn't be that upset. Our club, what we stand for and what this squad represents is more important than that. Poch has a meritocracy, and that cannot be bent or adjusted for any player, because it all comes tumbling down otherwise.
Trippier, Aurier and Davies may not be as good as them at the moment, but the difference is not enough to put up with that sort of behaviour. That's the decision that Poch needs to make. When have either Walker or Rose single-handedly won us a game? When have either of them lifted the team when everyone else was playing bad? Then whilst they were good players before Poch, it was only with Poch that they got to these heights. Look what Mourinho and others did to Shaw who showed equal if not more promise at a younger age. Poch will be able to do the same with other players and that is just part and parcel of being in a club like ours.
I hope Rose stays and knuckles down and produces. But if he moves on, I wouldn't be that upset. Our club, what we stand for and what this squad represents is more important than that. Poch has a meritocracy, and that cannot be bent or adjusted for any player, because it all comes tumbling down otherwise.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Absolutely right. Particularly on your top point. I don't think Walker has got enough stick for how he handled himself to be honest. He could have still gotten his move to Emirates Marketing Project if he just waited until the end of the season to say he wanted to go. Maybe he was terrified they'd bid for someone else if he didn't hitch his skirt to them way early on, but it's a slap in the face to his team-mates. And by all accounts he was then disappointed Trippier got to play ahead of him in the biggest games? WTF? Almost as thick as Rose if you ask me.
WestBerkshire
Noé Pamarot
If we allow rose to go expect more rose like interviews next summer this time questioning the club as to why have we sold the best 2 full backs in the league. It's all well and good getting told we are building something great under poch if we continue to sell our better players and replace with inferior however you want to dress it up we will go backwards.
90291Spur
Paul Walsh
Unless those 'better' players are harmful to squad morale and spirit, which means that offloading them, while weakening us temporarily in terms of quality, strengthens our squad until, making us a better team in the long run.
StephenH
David Ginola
Hold on to Rose and he just does enough to stay in the squad until the right bid comes is pointless.
He must want to stay, which I doubt and we can get top money for him.
We must consider selling.
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
What would you do then if a bid comes in for Rose and he wants to leave/becomes a problem behind the scene?
Gazzasrightboot
Pascal Chimbonda
Rose apart, I don't see any of these players complaining about walker going. Look at how the real players are talking (Kane, alli, eriksen, verts, lloris) right now. That's how a team player talks to the press.
90291Spur
Paul Walsh
FFS - that blue surgical glove is a CLASSIC marker of the fact that the deal with Manure has been signed. Bye Danny, thanks for that debut goal, the crap seasons and then being good.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I thought he was bang average last night. Not bad, but certainly not good either.
And he really didnt need to react as he did when he went off. I know he is aggressive but that could easily have backfired and become a red.
I think it was very notable that Walker-Peters, a right footed rookie, came on and performed AT LEAST as well.
I keep hearing about how Rose is so dynamic, how he adds to our attack, makes space, drives at people, pushes the other team back - I saw literally none of that last night. On a night when, against a poor side, he should have really been able to show what he can do.
Of course, one game does not a player make, but honestly I expected more from him.
And he really didnt need to react as he did when he went off. I know he is aggressive but that could easily have backfired and become a red.
I think it was very notable that Walker-Peters, a right footed rookie, came on and performed AT LEAST as well.
I keep hearing about how Rose is so dynamic, how he adds to our attack, makes space, drives at people, pushes the other team back - I saw literally none of that last night. On a night when, against a poor side, he should have really been able to show what he can do.
Of course, one game does not a player make, but honestly I expected more from him.
Ade's folks are ok really
Ramon Vega
Poch now has the perfect media response to not picking him for Stoke...
"It is true that Danny receive a cut and needed minor surgery. For now it is true we have to assess the player. I tell Danny to be brave."
"It is true that Danny receive a cut and needed minor surgery. For now it is true we have to assess the player. I tell Danny to be brave."
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I thought Rose looked motivated last night. If he's motivated for proving himself to Pochettino or if he's motivated to prove himself worthy of a huge wage bump elsewhere is difficult to judge though.
I don't see anything out of character with what happened last night.
I don't see anything out of character with what happened last night.