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Danny Rose

Happy to park it there for now with the 'apology' which was very weak considering the sheer time and effort constructing the actual interview but hey ho. Happy to integrate him back into the fold but the playing up north comments prove he isn't really with us and therefore he is really against us in the medium term. Sell him next summer for a big fee and make a marquee signing in an advanced position to go into the new stadium with. Try and sign Sessegnon now or in Jan but loan back to Fulham for the rest of the season and then have Rose gone before walk through the doors of the new stadium. My only stipulation would be to not sell to Chelsea at any price whatsoever and refuse to even have a basic discussion with them.
 
AdamB said:
Not a like for like comparison at all, however I'm not going to get into the accounting of it
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Let's get into the accounting of it.

Rose cost us around £1M didn't he? That would have been amortised over the length of his initial contract (now to nothing). Any bonuses given on re-signing would have been amortised over the course of the new contract, but I don't think they'd have been a lot - maybe £1M? So the annual cost of Danny Rose to Spurs is £60K per week (assumed salary) - so his annual cost to Spurs is around £3.5-3.6M (assuming there are no other costs to having a player than playing their salary and taxes).

Now whoever buys him next will not be selling him for more than they buy - not a hope. Not only is he now 27 in a position that requires a good bit of pace and fitness, but he's also being sold by Levy at the start of a long contract, so he won't be cheap. If Walker went for £50m then we have to assume Rose will go for £60m. Now I think rose is probably just young enough to get another 5 year contract if he went this summer. So that means his transfer fee will be amortised over 5 years - already a cost of £12M a year. But when he gets sold on at 31-32 he'll probably still command £10m if the market stays silly like it currently is. He's likely to be paid £150K per week let's say, so that comes to £8.5-9m.

So to a team buying him now, the total cost over the piece would be upwards of £20M per year, compared to under £4m to us.
 
I wouldn't normally do this but, here's something from that Harry Hotspur site.
I think it may be worth considering because it's not exactly damning of Spurs and Levy and, to my mind, that makes it a bit more likely to have specks of truth within it given the tone of most stuff he puts up there.

Anyway, read, take as much salt to accompany as you see fit. At worst it's someone's cry for attention and traffic and now you don't have to click on his site. At best, it could be true.

"The aftermath of Danny Rose’s explosive Sun interview has been remarkably civilised. In many respects, it had to be.

Daniel Levy popped round to Danny Rose’s last night to discuss the matter and work out a way forward, if possible.

The club was obviously horrified and it’s not news that Rose has been fined.

There’s something to put out here, to preface this with. Rose isn’t too bright. I know I have a fondness for describing people in this light, but in this instance it’s neither unkind or unfair.

Rose is genuinely mortified as to how this is panned out. He genuinely didn’t envisage things ending up as they did. I believe that he’s been beyond naive.

Having spoken to Gladys at some length, I think this lunacy wasn’t intentional, or at least the boy didn’t set out to destabilise the club.

It also needs to be added at this juncture that The Sun are guilty of inventing the utterly specious nonsense about Rose being greeted with applause at training today. That did not happen.

The truth is he was greeted sheepishly by his teammates who quite rightly didn’t understand where all this had come from. There is no mutinous vibe at Hotspur Way. Repeat, there is no mutinous vibe at Hotspur Way.

Rose is beyond furious The Sun put this garbage out. There was no need and it betrayed any trust.

Levy was calm with Danny last night and simply sought to get to the root of the problem.

It turns out that of course a requested pay rise had been rebuffed and the transfer of Walker had left Rose brooding on the matter.

Instead of talking to Levy or indeed Poch, instead the boy spoke his agent who predictably gave him some abysmal advice. Once The Sun had been introduced to the equation the madness spread like wildfire.

Glad says that Levy has always had a good rapport with Rose. This is was simply insane and very avoidable.

Rose was reminded that he had been promised a review last September in a year’s time – so next bloody month!

Levy also reminded him that the team hadn’t won anything and this would prompt significant bonuses and pay improvements.

Bizarrely Rose’s response to this was ‘I didn’t think you wanted us to win stuff, ‘coz you’d need to double everyone’s money!’

The lad isn’t the shiniest penny in the till drawer.

Look, for now, the bottom line is that Rose is staying.

Rose will see his case reviewed and Levy has had a wake up call. Whether this safeguards us from this or something similar happening again is anyone’s guess."
 
"He needs to get fit as soon as possible and be available if the manager believes he has a place to play" I'm not sure it is just Poch's grasp of English or he made a point to phrase it that way but it could still be seen as Danny is spending a year on the bench.
 
JerusalemMan said:
I wouldn't normally do this but, here's something from that Harry Hotspur site.
I think it may be worth considering because it's not exactly damning of Spurs and Levy and, to my mind, that makes it a bit more likely to have specks of truth within it given the tone of most stuff he puts up there.

Anyway, read, take as much salt to accompany as you see fit. At worst it's someone's cry for attention and traffic and now you don't have to click on his site. At best, it could be true.

"The aftermath of Danny Rose’s explosive Sun interview has been remarkably civilised. In many respects, it had to be.

Daniel Levy popped round to Danny Rose’s last night to discuss the matter and work out a way forward, if possible.

The club was obviously horrified and it’s not news that Rose has been fined.

There’s something to put out here, to preface this with. Rose isn’t too bright. I know I have a fondness for describing people in this light, but in this instance it’s neither unkind or unfair.

Rose is genuinely mortified as to how this is panned out. He genuinely didn’t envisage things ending up as they did. I believe that he’s been beyond naive.

Having spoken to Gladys at some length, I think this lunacy wasn’t intentional, or at least the boy didn’t set out to destabilise the club.

It also needs to be added at this juncture that The Sun are guilty of inventing the utterly specious nonsense about Rose being greeted with applause at training today. That did not happen.

The truth is he was greeted sheepishly by his teammates who quite rightly didn’t understand where all this had come from. There is no mutinous vibe at Hotspur Way. Repeat, there is no mutinous vibe at Hotspur Way.

Rose is beyond furious The Sun put this garbage out. There was no need and it betrayed any trust.

Levy was calm with Danny last night and simply sought to get to the root of the problem.

It turns out that of course a requested pay rise had been rebuffed and the transfer of Walker had left Rose brooding on the matter.

Instead of talking to Levy or indeed Poch, instead the boy spoke his agent who predictably gave him some abysmal advice. Once The Sun had been introduced to the equation the madness spread like wildfire.

Glad says that Levy has always had a good rapport with Rose. This is was simply insane and very avoidable.

Rose was reminded that he had been promised a review last September in a year’s time – so next bloody month!

Levy also reminded him that the team hadn’t won anything and this would prompt significant bonuses and pay improvements.

Bizarrely Rose’s response to this was ‘I didn’t think you wanted us to win stuff, ‘coz you’d need to double everyone’s money!’

The lad isn’t the shiniest penny in the till drawer.

Look, for now, the bottom line is that Rose is staying.

Rose will see his case reviewed and Levy has had a wake up call. Whether this safeguards us from this or something similar happening again is anyone’s guess."
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Levy "popped round to Danny Rose's last night"... What - after the (embargoed) story was published at 11.30pm?

I buy that Rose might not be the brightest spark. I don't buy that he was naive enough to think he could say all that he did and not create a huge stir.

I just hope this can all die down a bit now. His "apology", sparse as it was and grudging as it seemed, is the first step. Poch has said today that once Rose is fit he'll decide his place in the team. So next step is to get fit and show a lot of effort and good attitude.
If he does that, and if Poch wants to play him, then I'll trust in Poch's judgement. I think Rose has a lot of work to do though to turn this around with a good section of the fanbase. And given his comments about previous bad treatment, how will he deal with the - surely inevitable - stick he will now have to take from some fans?

It is hard to imagine the "Danny, Danny Rose" chants ringing out with anything like the same intensity as previously. I find that very sad.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Levy "popped round to Danny Rose's last night"... What - after the (embargoed) story was published at 11.30pm?

I buy that Rose might not be the brightest spark. I don't buy that he was naive enough to think he could say all that he did and not create a huge stir.

I just hope this can all die down a bit now. His "apology", sparse as it was and grudging as it seemed, is the first step. Poch has said today that once Rose is fit he'll decide his place in the team. So next step is to get fit and show a lot of effort and good attitude.
If he does that, and if Poch wants to play him, then I'll trust in Poch's judgement. I think Rose has a lot of work to do though to turn this around with a good section of the fanbase. And given his comments about previous bad treatment, how will he deal with the - surely inevitable - stick he will now have to take from some fans?

It is hard to imagine the "Danny, Danny Rose" chants ringing out with anything like the same intensity as previously. I find that very sad.
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Last night being Thursday. Story came out Wednesday night, yes?

As I say, I don't take this as gospel. But it may not be utter bunk.
 
JerusalemMan said:
Last night being Thursday. Story came out Wednesday night, yes?

As I say, I don't take this as gospel. But it may not be utter bunk.
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Duh. I seem to have skipped a day!

I did have to laugh at this bit, in relation to his reaction to the newspaper's follow up about the heroes welcome ;
"Rose is beyond furious The Sun put this garbage out. There was no need and it betrayed any trust."
 
Finney Is Back said:
We have no idea what has happened behind closed doors here. Maybe he or his agent have already spoken to Levy to air his grievances? Maybe he has already spoken to Poch? Maybe he has been told he has no chance of a pay rise and that players will not be coming in? Maybe there is frustration in the dressing room and he is the 'shop steward'?

We have no idea here what has happened, but we should definitely be concerned that it has happened as we have already lost the best right back in the league. Losing the best left back in the league as well cannot be considered to be a good thing.
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And i say again if he has expressed his feelings to the club and been told that there is no pay rise coming his way and that players are not coming in and is unhappy about it he should ask for a transfer, if he has not approached the board about them then he should have.

What he should not have done ( imo and many other fans) is start shouting his mouth off to the gutter press and causing a bigger problem then he should have. Rose is 27 so i understand that the next contract he signs is a big one for him, however this is the same Rose who has missed 60 Prem game over the last four seasons ( mostly through injury) so he looks like he has problems being/staying fit.

Do i want Rose to go? the answer is no but IF he is unhappy at the prospect of staying here then he should ask for a transfer not cause upset by gobbing of to ( as i say) the gutter press.
 
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I have met several football players over the years and in all honesty most of the are not the brightest of people, however the more i think and read about this shows just how thick Rose is. For a start i have never met his agent but Rose should get rid of him because he has put Rose up to this and by doing so has made Rose look stupid. Now either his agent is as stupid or he does not care about the fallout that Rose has bought down on himself.
 
parklane1 said:
I have met several football players over the years and in all honesty most of the are not the brightest of people, however the more i think and read about this shows just how thick Rose is. For a start i have never met his agent but Rose should get rid of him because he has put Rose up to this and by doing so has made Rose look stupid. Now either his agent is as stupid or he does not care about the fallout that Rose has bought down on himself.
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His agent is his uncle.
And also Kyle Walker's agent.
The guy who did the interview is a 'friendly' journalist who has interviewed Danny before when he worked at other papers. It may not be beyond the realms of possibility that the interviewer isn't overly happy with what his employer did to the piece he provided as well.
 
JerusalemMan said:
His agent is his uncle.
And also Kyle Walker's agent.
The guy who did the interview is a 'friendly' journalist who has interviewed Danny before when he worked at other papers. It may not be beyond the realms of possibility that the interviewer isn't overly happy with what his employer did to the piece he provided as well.
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I understand all that, however IF i had a agent and was as thick as Rose seems to be i would hope he would advise me about not doing the interview because the fall out would make me look worse. Which is just what has happened to Rose.
 
They knew what they were doing here, the journo has been priming this story for a long time, the day before the story in his column was "Spurs are at risk of their players not being happy" and the next day this comes in the paper.

Stitch up
 
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