Read kinkys interview. He said levy flew out to meet them. Not sure many chairmen do that for a 21 year old keeper who has only had half a season in czechia.
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Daniel Levy - Chairman
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Read kinkys interview. He said levy flew out to meet them. Not sure many chairmen do that for a 21 year old keeper who has only had half a season in czechia.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
There are some stark realisations fans need to understand.
Common phrases that always come up are 'back the manager' 'show some ambition'...the reason fans like these phrases is they have infinite connotations.
It appeals to their emotive side.
Newsflash... 'back the manager' and 'ambition' is a number, every year it's just a number(£). The number DL feeds down to Munn, Lange et al every year, it's finite.
All conversations should be within the boundaries of that finite number otherwise they are not worth having.
That's how we operate, and always have. There's no shenanigans going on.
DL has no personal wealth (ie large lump sum) to alter that. He eeked a bit out of JL when Conte was here but that boat has now sailed. So we carry on doing the best we can, trying to make better decisions within the way we operate across the board.
Believe me I wish the game was totally about emotion, it's sport and team Vs team FFS, it should be, BUT we all know realistically there is a whole backend to football that is cold hard business and imo we have one of the best at that.
We often chastise supporters for the abuse they give to players but DL has had that ten fold for years, and I don't think there's once been a murmur to cut it out (perhaps when becoming anti-Semitic, yes). I probably wouldn't be far wrong in saying this bloke gets up everyday and works long hours to do his very best for this club everyday, (and I don't care if he pays himself well....loads do, and don't put the graft in).
As I said football is emotive and it's all about your emotional needs being met (yeah I get blaming/shaming is a comfort blanket, yawn) but there is a lot more (boringly) in the mix these days, and I guess we all grow up emotionally at different rates is another biggie to consider, haha
Great post mate
The reality is as fans with no fiscal or reputation on the line we can call for anything we want to without it having an impact and then judge after.
The fall out online when the Dragusin deal nearly fell through was one of the most embarrassing things I have seen in football. YT channels having emergency podcasts, fans in meltdown about it potentially falling through and low and behold about 3am that morning he signs. Fast forward a few months and the same fans that did that are now saying he is rubbish and it was a bad buy.............so as you say, emotive and no consequence.
If we spend 400m and finish 3rd fans will say we should have spent the extra 200m and finished 1st, its always simple to work out in the head but footballs far mor nuanced that that.
That's not a defence of Levy BTW its just a generic view of football, we are all the experts when we want to be online (I fall into that trap as much as anyone) but in footballing terms we all likely couldn't run a tap.......thats not to say we ain't allowed the views and opinions, just the reality of it
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wonderfully balanced post that on GG will get the consideration and the balanced replies it deserves.There are some stark realisations fans need to understand.
Common phrases that always come up are 'back the manager' 'show some ambition'...the reason fans like these phrases is they have infinite connotations.
It appeals to their emotive side.
Newsflash... 'back the manager' and 'ambition' is a number, every year it's just a number(£). The number DL feeds down to Munn, Lange et al every year, it's finite.
All conversations should be within the boundaries of that finite number otherwise they are not worth having.
That's how we operate, and always have. There's no shenanigans going on.
DL has no personal wealth (ie large lump sum) to alter that. He eeked a bit out of JL when Conte was here but that boat has now sailed. So we carry on doing the best we can, trying to make better decisions within the way we operate across the board.
Believe me I wish the game was totally about emotion, it's sport and team Vs team FFS, it should be, BUT we all know realistically there is a whole backend to football that is cold hard business and imo we have one of the best at that.
We often chastise supporters for the abuse they give to players but DL has had that ten fold for years, and I don't think there's once been a murmur to cut it out (perhaps when becoming anti-Semitic, yes). I probably wouldn't be far wrong in saying this bloke gets up everyday and works long hours to do his very best for this club everyday, (and I don't care if he pays himself well....loads do, and don't put the graft in).
As I said football is emotive and it's all about your emotional needs being met (yeah I get blaming/shaming is a comfort blanket, yawn) but there is a lot more (boringly) in the mix these days, and I guess we all grow up emotionally at different rates is another biggie to consider, haha
Post that on any number of the loony Spurs supporting facebook pages and you get accused of being an apologist for Levy, and for accepting mediocrity.
The vitriol from people who probably aren't even the dyed in the wool level of fans you get on here, is quite honestly staggering. Semi literate, usually drunk, ranting idiots, who know nothing about football, business or even punctuation, will jump on the Levy out bandwagon and cite "facts" like "we chose not to buy Rivaldo" or "he wanted Messi, we got him Docherty" with no basis in fact other than it was once written by a tabloid hack trying to sell newspapers or clicks on his website. I respect that some people have a different view on the club's management to my own, and while I don't think there is much that could happen to me to change my view on Levy, Cullen, Munn, and the rest of the board, I accept others opinions, but I would always ask that they apply a degree of logic and thought to the process, instead of simply stating we're a joke because we have not won anything for x number of years and the tabloids say we've got a tight arse for a chairman. Ostensibly bigger clubs than ours have gone long periods without success too.
The fact is that above and beyond the financial and sporting management of this sport are a series of global regulations, many of which are written extremely badly and which in the main have been written by people with a vested interest in the rich footballing clubs and nations becoming more rich and powerful. Systems like VAR have been brought in at huge cost to add legitimacy to an uncontrollable area of the "business" - the referee - taking us away from the jumpers for goalposts world we all I suspect grew up playing football in. This serves as a microcosm for the overall game - its not for everyone any more, and its there to make money.
Association Football became the world's most popular sport because you need a ball, two posts and some friends and you can have fun for hours. What is has become is a plaything for rich people who I am sure employ rooms of staff to work out how best to exploit the rules to their favour - until the likes of Chelsea and City get punished the way Juve were in Italy, the true benefit of having Daniel Levy at the helm won't be clear.
Lemonade Money
Dimitar Berbatov
Who is the best negotiator at Tottenham (maybe even league/world)? If we didn't send Levy to conclude any deal, I'd say we were being negligent. By all means keep him out of the decision making process, but once our football bods have chosen their preferred player, send in the Don.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
If we think Paratici has a little black book, I'm sure Levy has one twice the size, that's what 20 + years in this business brings. It would be folly to lock that away and dispense of that experience.
He might need to get involved 10% of the time...and that will be when really needed.
Be it we are at an impasse, a deadlock or just some inside knowledge of how a particular person on the other side of a deal operates, or personal relationship with an agency. Plus, and this happens often in business, some dude on the other side of the deal will only talk to the 'top' man (obviously dingdongish behaviour, but it is what it is).
I don't think he is any longer a barrier to getting deals done, it was the budget previously that did that. Now the budget is bigger and amount communicated, the team below can do as they wish with it.
Muttley
Gus Poyet
There is a subtlety to this though. Munn is our Chief Football Officer and is supposed be running our football operations business soup to nuts. That includes full P&L responsibility. For everything that Levy gave his blessing to in the final stages of a transfer like Dragusin, Munn should have been empowered to sign off anyway. Munn should also have the empowerment to jump on a plane and negotiate on our club's behalf. That is his job, especially for £25m deals.
What we're now seeing is that Levy is perhaps not as detached from the day-to-day football operations as we hoped he was going to be. There are clues appearing. We've got 25 years worth of data on Levy's ability to run football operations and it ain't pretty.
I'd much rather be reading that Levy is just on the end of the phone at Lilywhite House to support Munn who is front and centre. Perhaps a little different when that dingdongish behaviour appears from the other camp. Even then, it should be last resort before our chairman joins the negotiation party.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
Look he just lives rent free in people's heads.
fudge your subtleties and all the constant mental gymnastics. It's all conjecture.
If everyone is aligned on our objectives and we are all pulling in the same direction, the pathways and avenues we take to get there are irrelevant if we stay humble. Only ego can disrupt that.
It looks to be going ok.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
I don’t want him to be irresponsible and put us at risk. But we are consistently at the bottom of the league in wages to turnover ratio.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
There are some stark realisations fans need to understand.
Common phrases that always come up are 'back the manager' 'show some ambition'...the reason fans like these phrases is they have infinite connotations.
It appeals to their emotive side.
Newsflash... 'back the manager' and 'ambition' is a number, every year it's just a number(£). The number DL feeds down to Munn, Lange et al every year, it's finite.
All conversations should be within the boundaries of that finite number otherwise they are not worth having.
That's how we operate, and always have. There's no shenanigans going on.
DL has no personal wealth (ie large lump sum) to alter that. He eeked a bit out of JL when Conte was here but that boat has now sailed. So we carry on doing the best we can, trying to make better decisions within the way we operate across the board.
Believe me I wish the game was totally about emotion, it's sport and team Vs team FFS, it should be, BUT we all know realistically there is a whole backend to football that is cold hard business and imo we have one of the best at that.
We often chastise supporters for the abuse they give to players but DL has had that ten fold for years, and I don't think there's once been a murmur to cut it out (perhaps when becoming anti-Semitic, yes). I probably wouldn't be far wrong in saying this bloke gets up everyday and works long hours to do his very best for this club everyday, (and I don't care if he pays himself well....loads do, and don't put the graft in).
As I said football is emotive and it's all about your emotional needs being met (yeah I get blaming/shaming is a comfort blanket, yawn) but there is a lot more (boringly) in the mix these days.
I guess that we all grow up emotionally at different rates is another biggie to consider, haha
Honest question, how much longer theoretically do you reckon he deserves given he has been in charge more than 20 years? I realise he’s not going until unless he gets a compelling offer to buy the club, but how long before fans rightly give him stick and put pressure on him to sell? The protests have been negligible, but if it’s more widespread and more of a hostile atmosphere inside the stadium, well no one wants to deal with that regardless of how rich he is.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
You've answered your own question. When a compelling offer comes.
And as such... how long is a piece of string
The weakness of the supporter is it all dies down when we are doing well.....
= emotional needs being met.
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ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
I think he could definitely raise this ratio but is probably hoping we will be at an advantage when the hammer comes down from the authorities. Yeah right. Rolls eyes.
Also we are probably at the lower wage point of a cycle so we have some room to boost wages. I mean how else are we going to give Gray Bergvall VDV 300k a week
Muttley
Gus Poyet
Then why wasn't it in the past with Levy? He might try to build his reputation on deals like Kane and Bale, but there were car crashes throughout our recent history with him in control. I genuinely hope he can keep his opinion on the back burner, and just be supporting cast to Munn and Lange. Same as hiring and firing managers. I'm not interested in Levy's opinion. He had his go, and failed.
What's more the case is that it is the super-agents that are more influential to winning and losing deals. As Kane's brother found out, if you don't operate at the top table then don't pretend you do just because your client is fantastic.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
Or do people look at that table upside down?
Lemonade Money
Dimitar Berbatov
That's a contortion too far for people with their head up their own arse.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Post of the year [so far] mate. Of course Levy has made mistakes [just like everyone has] but i have been a supporter of our GREAT club for more years then i remember and there have always been fans who like to moan about something.
Is Levy perfect of course not but he has done well since he has been here imo and some of the bile that gets thrown at him is way over the top IMO.
Fans generally never get to see the big picture but when i look at the Chelski, City etc and the corruption that has allowed then to win things i see no GLORY in it as a fan who has watched and worked in football all my life. As for those on T watt er, facebook and all the other places were the abuse comes from well i feel sorry for them that they can get so one eyed about what we do.
When i see/hear the abuse, vitriol etc that you see from a section of our so called fans and the poor excuse of the SO CALLED Levy out protests then i have to laugh at their attempts to try and make it look like its more then a few idiots with nothing better to do with their time. Of course Levy has made mistakes and more then one imo but to suggest that he is holding our GREAT CLUB back is crazy imo.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Given the lack of success I’d say it’s the right way up.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
we've had more success than almost everyone on that table