Daniel Levy - Chairman

[billyiddo]

Yeah I agree, of course they want to win stuff. But they also put a very firm focus on wanting to rake in money. They aren't mutually exclusive so it becomes a question of what emphasis you put on both goals.

There is a story persisting from the Jose sacking that Mourinho wanted to rest players against Southampton to have them raring to go in the League Cup final and Levy told him he had to play a strong team v Southampton because we still had a chance of CL. If that's true, then it says two things. Levy prioritises CL over cups to such a degree that he'd rather take a punt on a long shot at getting into CL rather than a pretty good chance at a trophy.

It also says he interferes in first team selections which is, for me, an absolute no-no for a chairman.

Sounds like fan fiction to me

 

[DeanoAustin]

You make some good points and i do not really disagree about the financial bit but we all know that storys are either made up or exagerated so i never put a lot of faith in what i hear second, third of forth hand
as most of it is gonad*s.

Yeah I know your attitude is a mentally healthy "don't believe it unless I see it or hear it direct from the club" while I'm a bit more susceptible to this stuff. Some of these stories do have truth though and I can see how this one might knowing what we know about both parties. Can never prove it though unless someone speaks.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Sounds like fan fiction to me

How dare you. The article was written by a Mr F. Isback. I go to him for all my Spurs stories

 

[parklane1]

Yeah I know your attitude is a mentally healthy "don't believe it unless I see it or hear it direct from the club" while I'm a bit more susceptible to this stuff. Some of these stories do have truth though and I can see how this one might knowing what we know about both parties. Can never prove it though unless someone speaks.

tickle my balls with a feather on that, different game in todays world what with T w atte r rumours, gossip, flimflam, media rumours, and far more fans believing everything they hear/read.

 

[parklane1]

Sounds like fan fiction to me

Bingo.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Indeed.
And how do those twenty years compare to the twenty years prior?

1 trophy versus 5 trophies. Some great EBITDA numbers under ENIC though!

 

[Jurgen the German]

You make some good points and i do not really disagree about the financial bit but we all know that storys are either made up or exagerated so i never put a lot of faith in what i hear second, third of forth hand
as most of it is gonad*s.

What we do know is Levy pulled the plug on Jose a few days before a cup final. Jose didn’t work out for us and he has his faults, but he is very adept at winning one off games and trophies. To sack him at such an inopportune time at best shows a lack of understanding of the game, to replace him with Ryan Mason who has never managed in his life only compounds the error.

For me, this is getting into Levy’s last managerial appointment territory. He took ages to appoint someone and so far it’s been an average appointment at best. At the end of the day, the stadium and the training ground are outstanding and ENIC deserve credit but we all support the team for what happens on the pitch primarily and the hope of being successful. We’ve gone backwards in the last few years and the buck stops with Levy.

 

[Finney Is Back]

We can go around the houses all day with this and get nowhere, you have a downer on Levy fair enough but i will ask you again do you believe that Levy went into the dressing room before all our semi and finals and told the players he does not want us to win anything. That is what you suggested in you earlier post, and no matter what you come back with ( some of it may make sense) that was a

WALOB.

Yep. I have a downer on Levy and Lewis. You have a massive hard-on for the pair of them.
I didn't suggest that at all. I think that perhaps you need to learn to read sir. Levy doesn't need to go into our changing room (it is bad enough him hanging around the training ground) he shows with the actions he takes running our club that his main ambition is not to win trophies but to maximise his personal wealth. Ambitions that fit perfectly with the majority owner of the club.

 

[parklane1]

What we do know is Levy pulled the plug on Jose a few days before a cup final. Jose didn’t work out for us and he has his faults, but he is very adept at winning one off games and trophies. To sack him at such an inopportune time at best shows a lack of understanding of the game, to replace him with Ryan Mason who has never managed in his life only compounds the error.

For me, this is getting into Levy’s last managerial appointment territory. He took ages to appoint someone and so far it’s been an average appointment at best. At the end of the day, the stadium and the training ground are outstanding and ENIC deserve credit but we all support the team for what happens on the pitch primarily and the hope of being successful. We’ve gone backwards in the last few years and the buck stops with Levy.

I do agree with the repeated sacking of managers, my biggest gripe with Levy is the way he got rid of MJ and i have disagreed with the timing of sacking Jose before the final. Whatever fans though of Jose we had a far better chance of winning that final under Jose then we did under Mason. What i will say is that any appointment of any manager is a risk so it stands to reason the more times you do it the more risks you take.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Indeed.
And how do those twenty years compare to the twenty years prior?

This twenty year period has felt much more disheartening because of the greater potential in terms of the players assembled and this twenty year period seems to have invented much more excuses for footballing failure and outright neglect

 

[Finney Is Back]

What we do know is Levy pulled the plug on Jose a few days before a cup final. Jose didn’t work out for us and he has his faults, but he is very adept at winning one off games and trophies. To sack him at such an inopportune time at best shows a lack of understanding of the game, to replace him with Ryan Mason who has never managed in his life only compounds the error.

For me, this is getting into Levy’s last managerial appointment territory. He took ages to appoint someone and so far it’s been an average appointment at best. At the end of the day, the stadium and the training ground are outstanding and ENIC deserve credit but we all support the team for what happens on the pitch primarily and the hope of being successful. We’ve gone backwards in the last few years and the buck stops with Levy.

Typically when a company starts to decline the board will change the management structure. If that company continues its decline then the CEO will be changed. We are now in year 3 of our decline.

Yeah I know your attitude is a mentally healthy "don't believe it unless I see it or hear it direct from the club" while I'm a bit more susceptible to this stuff. Some of these stories do have truth though and I can see how this one might knowing what we know about both parties. Can never prove it though unless someone speaks.

The problem is that this means the club will never do any wrong seeing as the official line from the club will always paint the picture they want to paint. Compensation clauses in the contract then stop the departing manager from speaking out against the club.

Why have the club never come out and explained the Mourinho sacking?

 

[parklane1]

Yep. I have a downer on Levy and Lewis. You have a massive hard-on for the pair of them.
I didn't suggest that at all. I think that perhaps you need to learn to read sir. Levy doesn't need to go into our changing room (it is bad enough him hanging around the training ground) he shows with the actions he takes running our club that his main ambition is not to win trophies but to maximise his personal wealth. Ambitions that fit perfectly with the majority owner of the club.

Yes you did and there is nothing wrong with my reading sir, maybe you should think more about what/how you post before before you hit the keys if you do not want to be pulled up on what you say.

 

[billyiddo]

Typically when a company starts to decline the board will change the management structure. If that company continues its decline then the CEO will be changed. We are now in year 3 of our decline.

The problem is that this means the club will never do any wrong seeing as the official line from the club will always paint the picture they want to paint. Compensation clauses in the contract then stop the departing manager from speaking out against the club.

Why have the club never come out and explained the Mourinho sacking?

Do football clubs typically change their Chairman after 3 years of decline?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Yes you did and there is nothing wrong with my reading sir, maybe you should think more about what/how you post before before you hit the keys if you do not want to be pulled up on what you say.

I think you're going senile old boy....

Here is the exchange:
You: "You will be spouting off next about how he has gone into the dressing room befor the semis and finals we have been in and told the manager and players that under no condition must we win a trophy"

Me: "He doesn't need to do that... His actions speak far louder than words. Our owners (Lewis is just as much to blame as Levy) make it perfectly clear to the players that there is no real ambition for this football club to win trophies.

Sacking Mourinho to appoint Ryan Mason less than a week before the League Cup final last season showed us pretty much unequivocally this was the case.
Spending several months to eventually appoint Nuno Santo merely backs that up."

 

[parklane1]

I think you're going senile old boy....

Here is the exchange:
You: "You will be spouting off next about how he has gone into the dressing room befor the semis and finals we have been in and told the manager and players that under no condition must we win a trophy"

Me: "He doesn't need to do that... His actions speak far louder than words. Our owners (Lewis is just as much to blame as Levy) make it perfectly clear to the players that there is no real ambition for this football club to win trophies.

Sacking Mourinho to appoint Ryan Mason less than a week before the League Cup final last season showed us pretty much unequivocally this was the case.
Spending several months to eventually appoint Nuno Santo merely backs that up."

You first post in this conversastion was the following

" Clearly it doesn't matter to our owners. "

And you have obviously ignored that.

 

[Finney Is Back]

You first post in this conversastion was the following

" Clearly it doesn't matter to our owners. "

And you have obviously ignored that.

OK.... So at least you now have moved away from me saying that Levy went into the dressing room and told the players not to win, that's a good start.

 

[parklane1]

OK.... So at least you now have moved away from me saying that Levy went into the dressing room and told the players not to win, that's a good start.

I said next thing you would say not you did say ( my mistake may have been putting words into your mouth) but nothing would surprise me when it comes to your agenda against Levy.

Are you going to admit that your statement about Levy which was " Clearly it doesn't matter to our owners. " was wrong having posted that in reply to another post that said "Guess it doesn't matter if we win trophies" which was posted by Libaz.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Sacking the one man who had a good history of going up against the likes of Pep in a one-off cup final a week before that final and hiring a novice barely the same age as most of the squad reeks of not really being that interested in winning said cup final/trophies.
Twenty years previously the same happened with George Graham who had a decent history of getting us to do well vs Arsenal (as 'well' was in those days).

As i say, we now have 20 years worth of time to look at Levy/ENIC

 

[Glenda's Legs]

My recollection in the lead up to that final, before Mourinho was sacked, was the general feeling that we were going to get absolutely mullered by City, and that was with Mourinho in charge.
Now it’s Levy sacking him meant we lost the chance we had of winning?

 

[scaramanga]

Typically when a company starts to decline the board will change the management structure. If that company continues its decline then the CEO will be changed. We are now in year 3 of our decline.

Owner managed ones don't.

Why have the club never come out and explained the Mourinho sacking?

Because they have absolutely no need to and nobody to answer to.