Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Finney Is Back]

So we have better owners?

Time will tell which of the two teams have better owners.... Arsenal have a turnover that is pretty much comparable to ours with about £1billion less of gross debt. IMO Arsenal and Spurs have owners who are equally as good (though 'good' isn't necessarily the term I would use to describe either sets of owners).

 

[Finney Is Back]

This guy always seems to write snidey articles whenever I read them. Levy’s stock may be low and it feels like we are in limbo but that doesn’t define every single decision he’s ever made and the current situation can’t be fully judged until the new man / hierarchy is in place and our transfers are made in the summer.
Maybe it’s a case if we can criticise Levy as fans but I get defensive when an outsider does.

I thought that it was a reasonable article overall let down by a few silly comments (i.e. our under 23s losing to Emirates Marketing Project's.... as there is no context there - i.e. were we actually playing mainly under 19s or whatever?)

 

[Finney Is Back]

You talk like you are a shareholder and in control [emoji23] Yes let’s have a board meeting and appoint a new CEO [emoji85]

I actually think a lot of clubs would jump at appointing DL as CEO he’s delivered a lot more than most chairman manage. But this is fantasy. He’s part owner so not sure what hypothetical strand you’re going down.


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I don't talk like that at all. I merely point out that our chairman is paid extremely competitively in comparison to CEOs of truly large organisations and with that being the case perhaps we'd be better off with one of those CEOs who is considered good enough to get paid the big bucks at a big corporation.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Time will tell which of the two teams have better owners.... Arsenal have a turnover that is pretty much comparable to ours with about £1billion less of gross debt. IMO Arsenal and Spurs have owners who are equally as good (though 'good' isn't necessarily the term I would use to describe either sets of owners).

Yet looking at the two stadia, and to be honest transfers and spend, and we are night and day better run. How so when we are so comparable?

The scum also had the boost of trophies to kick them forward. Something we haven’t yet.


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[Finney Is Back]

Mate, find the FTSE CEO's that took a £22M investment and made it a £2.5B asset, then have this conversation.

As a Chairman of a business he's doing fine, he's hitting pretty much every business metric you could think of.

Final success on the field? not so much (close but not there) and that is why despite everyone's speculation, he is not under pressure.

Yes. I completely get why Lewis keeps him in place. He is doing a very good job for Lewis' (and his own) net worth. The thing that the two individuals clearly hold as being dearest to their hearts. I also agree with you that he is not under pressure (for that very same reason). I disagree that THFC is worth £2.5 billion however. I doubt ENIC could realise a sale at anything over £1.5 billion (and maybe even a few hundred million lower than that). I'd love us to find out though.

 

[Raziel]

Yes. I completely get why Lewis keeps him in place. He is doing a very good job for Lewis' (and his own) net worth. The thing that the two individuals clearly hold as being dearest to their hearts. I also agree with you that he is not under pressure (for that very same reason). I disagree that THFC is worth £2.5 billion however. I doubt ENIC could realise a sale at anything over £1.5 billion (and maybe even a few hundred million lower than that). I'd love us to find out though.

The assets are probably close to that value (we own a lot of real estate along with stadium), I'd agree, unlikely someone would pay that for it ..

 

[MKSpur]

I thought that it was a reasonable article overall let down by a few silly comments (i.e. our under 23s losing to Emirates Marketing Project's.... as there is no context there - i.e. were we actually playing mainly under 19s or whatever?)

I can be over sensitive but the tone really riled me (not for the first time with this guy) and the under 23s loss to the saintly Emirates Marketing Project seemed an odd thing to swipe at the chairman for, but to cite Levy as blundering his way through every managerial choice is unfair imo. There have been mistakes but also successes and the reason for that may well be by looking to build on the perceived reasons for failure from the previous one.

Even Conte being the same as Mourinho is a lazy inaccuracy as the latter has more recent success and looks to actually coach the players and builds strong relationships with them which could be seen as the weaknesses in Mourinho’s tenure. Plus the possibility of adding a DoF to the structure makes it a different proposition to before.

Chucking in Martinez as a candidate at the end is just bitchy and I don’t think vanity is something that can be levelled at Levy. Maybe singleminded but I believe the decisions he makes are what he believes will give the definition of success he wants (or Joe Lewis wants), rather than make him look special.

The one bit I do agree with is that having been patient with our incremental growth up until the stadium build Levy does seem keen to find an immediate fix to remediate our lack of silverware. But that is what a lot of fans want is for us to throw money at a squad rebuild and bring in a ‘proven winner’.

Not for a second saying I’m happy with how the last 18 months have panned out but that doesn’t rewrite the good things Levy has managed to do with his appointments.
I’m keeping my powder dry until the appointment (maybe including a dof) and squad overhaul is complete at the end of the summer, if it is Martinez and sell to buy then I will or course be spending an unhealthy about if time complaining about it.

 

[Lilbaz]

I can be over sensitive but the tone really riled me (not for the first time with this guy) and the under 23s loss to the saintly Emirates Marketing Project seemed an odd thing to swipe at the chairman for, but to cite Levy as blundering his way through every managerial choice is unfair imo. There have been mistakes but also successes and the reason for that may well be by looking to build on the perceived reasons for failure from the previous one.

Even Conte being the same as Mourinho is a lazy inaccuracy as the latter has more recent success and looks to actually coach the players and builds strong relationships with them which could be seen as the weaknesses in Mourinho’s tenure. Plus the possibility of adding a DoF to the structure makes it a different proposition to before.

Chucking in Martinez as a candidate at the end is just bitchy and I don’t think vanity is something that can be levelled at Levy. Maybe singleminded but I believe the decisions he makes are what he believes will give the definition of success he wants (or Joe Lewis wants), rather than make him look special.

The one bit I do agree with is that having been patient with our incremental growth up until the stadium build Levy does seem keen to find an immediate fix to remediate our lack of silverware. But that is what a lot of fans want is for us to throw money at a squad rebuild and bring in a ‘proven winner’.

Not for a second saying I’m happy with how the last 18 months have panned out but that doesn’t rewrite the good things Levy has managed to do with his appointments.
I’m keeping my powder dry until the appointment (maybe including a dof) and squad overhaul is complete at the end of the summer, if it is Martinez and sell to buy then I will or course be spending an unhealthy about if time complaining about it.

Out of curiosity why do we think mourinho doesn't coach? He was a coach for long time before he became a manager.

 

[Raziel]

Time will tell which of the two teams have better owners.... Arsenal have a turnover that is pretty much comparable to ours with about £1billion less of gross debt. IMO Arsenal and Spurs have owners who are equally as good (though 'good' isn't necessarily the term I would use to describe either sets of owners).

Come on mate, I get you want Levy changed but the Scum?

- Those owners had top 4, had 20+ years of European participation, had a global brand

They have tinkled it away, did the equivalent to making a permanent Mason appointment, kept him because he won a cup against an equally incompetent manager, are completely out of Europe, have an aging front line (one of which they gave a new long term contract and huge wages at an older age than Bale) and are taking zero action to change any of it.

We have been playing catch up for two decades, we have now passed them in league position, revenue, squad (everything but trophies). If we were them, I'd hate to see this board's reaction ..

 

[Mikey10]

did the equivalent to making a permanent Mason appointment

You're tempting fate there...

 

[Finney Is Back]

The assets are probably close to that value (we own a lot of real estate along with stadium), I'd agree, unlikely someone would pay that for it ..

Do we? I thought those assets had been sold off at 'fair value' to Lewis' offshore based property development fund?

 

[MKSpur]

Out of curiosity why do we think mourinho doesn't coach? He was a coach for long time before he became a manager.

It’s personal opinion really , but there didn’t seem much in terms of rehearsed pattern to our play and his style seems to be more about mentality and making the right decisions and focussing on the opposition.

So maybe it’s unfair to use the term coach as he’s not quite just picking the team and saying get on with it but I think for a team to punch above its weight we need a more distinct approach on and off the ball drilled into the players.
I really thought his strength was defensive organisation irrespective of the individual but with hindsight I wonder if it’s more important for him just to have good defenders! At United I think he wanted two new centre backs to replace the ones he bought and they caused friction with Woodward.

 

[metalgear]

Boy knows his stuff. Well done the Guardian. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...inator-in-tottenhams-endless-managerial-farce

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[Finney Is Back]

Come on mate, I get you want Levy changed but the Scum?

- Those owners had top 4, had 20+ years of European participation, had a global brand

They have tinkled it away, did the equivalent to making a permanent Mason appointment, kept him because he won a cup against an equally incompetent manager, are completely out of Europe, have an aging front line (one of which they gave a new long term contract and huge wages at an older age than Bale) and are taking zero action to change any of it.

We have been playing catch up for two decades, we have now passed them in league position, revenue, squad (everything but trophies). If we were them, I'd hate to see this board's reaction ..

Our owners are almost identical in that they neither invest nor take out any money despite their investments being worth a lot more than when they made them (our owners having made a much bigger paper profit than Arsenal's).

One could argue and say that Levy is a better chairman than Vinai Venkatesham at Arsenal (though he has only been in place for 2.5 years so perhaps Venkatesham hasn't had time to make his mark on Arsenal yet compared to Levy being in seat for 20 years as CEO at THFC?). I don't know how Venkatesham's salary compares to Daniel Levy's but the entirety of Arsenal's director pay (£2.85m) is less than Daniel Levy's pay alone at Spurs.

 

[Raziel]

Boy knows his stuff. Well done the Guardian. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

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See previous pages mate, the article is trash .. from a guy who has zero claim to football knowledge or journalism ..

 

[Lilbaz]

It’s personal opinion really , but there didn’t seem much in terms of rehearsed pattern to our play and his style seems to be more about mentality and making the right decisions and focussing on the opposition.

So maybe it’s unfair to use the term coach as he’s not quite just picking the team and saying get on with it but I think for a team to punch above its weight we need a more distinct approach on and off the ball drilled into the players.
I really thought his strength was defensive organisation irrespective of the individual but with hindsight I wonder if it’s more important for him just to have good defenders! At United I think he wanted two new centre backs to replace the ones he bought and they caused friction with Woodward.

Fair enough. It's why i hope paratici would bring in gasperini. fudge defense go and attack. At the least it will be entertaining. Problem is he's 63 and i'm not sure he can speak english. Also atalanta have done fairly well through covid. He might think he has a chance to win the title next year, with the troubles the other italian teams are having.

 

[Raziel]

Our owners are almost identical in that they neither invest nor take out any money despite their investments being worth a lot more than when they made them (our owners having made a much bigger paper profit than Arsenal's).

One could argue and say that Levy is a better chairman than Vinai Venkatesham at Arsenal (though he has only been in place for 2.5 years so perhaps Venkatesham hasn't had time to make his mark on Arsenal yet compared to Levy being in seat for 20 years as CEO at THFC?). I don't know how Venkatesham's salary compares to Daniel Levy's but the entirety of Arsenal's director pay (£2.85m) is less than Daniel Levy's pay alone at Spurs.

You really are obsessed with salaries mate, btw Levy earned less than Jose & Poch by the estimates I've seen.

A lot of your arguments are more applicable to them than us, we have been the challengers, they were incumbent. They fired a manager that had some creditability to hire a novice (that bit them in the ass). They owned a top 4 spot, the right manager and right investments would have been much easier to regain that spot vs. breaking in.

 

[Finney Is Back]

You really are obsessed with salaries mate, btw Levy earned less than Jose & Poch by the estimates I've seen.

A lot of your arguments are more applicable to them than us, we have been the challengers, they were incumbent. They fired a manager that had some creditability to hire a novice (that bit them in the ass). They owned a top 4 spot, the right manager and right investments would have been much easier to regain that spot vs. breaking in.

As should be the case.... Those guys are amongst the best in their professions.

Arsenal fired a manager with credibility to hire a novice.... You mean like Levy did with Mourinho and Mason?
Arsenal owned a top 4 spot.... You mean like how we did under Pochettino? (which other chairman sacks a man who significantly overachieves compared to resources for 4 years in a row)?

 

[Raziel]

As should be the case.... Those guys are amongst the best in their professions.

Arsenal fired a manager with credibility to hire a novice.... You mean like Levy did with Mourinho and Mason?
Arsenal owned a top 4 spot.... You mean like how we did under Pochettino? (which other chairman sacks a man who significantly overachieves compared to resources for 4 years in a row)?

Mate, either you are trolling or just not trying to have a genuine conversation

- Levy runs ALL of Tottenham, I think you are being extremely naïve is you think the manager should earn more
- We didn't fire Jose to hire Mason, be a little less trolling with your answers
- We finished in the top 4 five times, the Scum finished in top 4 twenty+ times, surely you see the difference?

Every chairman fires the manger after 12-18 months of underperformance regardless of history, feel free to find a single contrary example in the PL to highlight.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Mate, either you are trolling or just not trying to have a genuine conversation

- Levy runs ALL of Tottenham, I think you are being extremely naïve is you think the manager should earn more
- We didn't fire Jose to hire Mason, be a little less trolling with your answers
- We finished in the top 4 five times, the Scum finished in top 4 twenty+ times, surely you see the difference?

Every chairman fires the manger after 12-18 months of underperformance regardless of history, feel free to find a single contrary example in the PL to highlight.

If you think we should be paying Daniel Levy £10m or even £15m+ a year then you and I will never agree. He is already the highest paid director in English football. We've never had the highest paid player in the PL, yet we have had the highest paid director.... Funny that eh?
We didn't fire Jose to hire Mason?... Really?!?... Could've sworn he was the man leading us to Cup final defeat and 7th place this season..... Who exactly did we sack Jose to hire then?
Arsenal finished in the top 4 throughout the duration of the reign of their best manager since the PL started. We finished in the top 4 throughout the duration of the reign of our best manager since the PL started. Both manager's got sacked, both clubs regressed...
Our chairman sacked a manager who finished in the top 4 (for the 4th consecutive time) and got to a CL final in the same season (which definitely affected league form as the players were running on empty). Not only that but the manager did so with zero new players for 3 consecutive transfer windows. The chairman then got that manager a grand total of three new first team squad players the following window only to sack the manager before he could actually have a chance to use those players as they arrived injured.