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Daniel Levy - Chairman

thfcsteff said:
Evidence recently suggest that is not the case.

If Levy could remember that, he'd be the perfect chairman. As it is, his fatal flaw is not giving the final word to the experts he hires, and making deals/appts based on HIS theory of football progression versus what, say, a DOF might think.

We need a progressive set up, progressive manager, but more than anything we need Levy to not just hire a real DoF, but to let him work unfettered.
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You have to assume the finances now are very different to the past too which can only help
My concern is Hitchen comes across as a man so far up levy’s ass he can smell his nose
 
thfcsteff said:
Evidence recently suggest that is not the case.

If Levy could remember that, he'd be the perfect chairman. As it is, his fatal flaw is not giving the final word to the experts he hires, and making deals/appts based on HIS theory of football progression versus what, say, a DOF might think.

We need a progressive set up, progressive manager, but more than anything we need Levy to not just hire a real DoF, but to let him work unfettered.
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Such a shame Mitchell went, think him and Poch could have been perfect together.
 
billyiddo said:
I think the owners get credit for the overall medium/long term direction the club takes and managers get credit for the short to medium term on field results (if they last long enough to be classed medium term...) - at the moment we are suffering through poor squad management going back several years, which is a medium to long term issue = Levy's responsibility, in the last year the team has been mismanaged on the pitch/training field, short term issue = Mourinho's responsibility.
On the flip side we recently had 4 consecutive years in the CL and were runners up in the league and CL - Pochettino gets the praise for the on field progress and Levy/Enic get the praise for medium term planning that went in to building the squad over several years and making the right manager appointment. Seems the right kind of balance to me.

Wrt to giving the right tools - always had you down as being critical of Pochettino and Redknapp for not winning trophies with the teams they had, are you now saying they didn't have the required tools to win trophies after all?

The reason I'm not critical of the club over our trophy record is the same reason I'm not critical of the managers for it either - we have not been a club that spends to the level that those who regularly win do. Since Levy arrived at Tottenham there have been 54 domestic trophies on offer, 45 of them won by the OG Sky top 4 + City the other 9 were solitary wins. Remove the League Cup and only 3 of 36 trophies were won by non OG + City clubs. So until we have the financial clout that those clubs do, afaic, there is no blame to be had regarding our lack of trophies as we just aren't a rich enough club to expect a share of the spoils. The stadium will put us at that level though, I dunno what effect COVID will have but in the 2 years since moving in we were 4th highest net spenders in the league, which is a huge leap forward from where we were in the 5+ years previous and if our wage budget increases to a similar level then we will be on a level that we can start to aim set the bar at that level.
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Jesus I didn't realise those clubs were so dominant. So it's just Leicester, Portsmouth and Wigan who have won outside of the original Top 4 and City. And not sure many of us would trade places with Pompey or Wigan.

Thats a sad indictment of English football.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Jesus I didn't realise those clubs were so dominant. So it's just Leicester, Portsmouth and Wigan who have won outside of the original Top 4 and City. And not sure many of us would trade places with Pompey or Wigan.

Thats a sad indictment of English football.
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It’s a sad issue that £££ is all that influences things
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It’s a sad issue that £££ is all that influences things
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Agreed. I could stomach it when it was United because, to be fair, they generated their own money. But to have two clubs win the lottery and end up tinkling all over the rest of us just feels wrong.

Particularly City who, let's be honest, were pretty much a yo-yo club for a good while before they were taken over.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Jesus I didn't realise those clubs were so dominant. So it's just Leicester, Portsmouth and Wigan who have won outside of the original Top 4 and City. And not sure many of us would trade places with Pompey or Wigan.

Thats a sad indictment of English football.
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Compared to many other top leagues in Europe i would guess we actually fare quite well?
 
Finney Is Back said:
They are not facts at all.... Levy inherited a team that had played in the UEFA Cup only 1 season before he arrived and had won 2 trophies in the decade prior to him arriving..... Twice the amount of trophies that we've won under his stewardship (despite his stewardship being twice that long).

60s - 5 trophies
70s - 3 trophies
80s - 3 trophies
90s - 2 trophies
00's - 1 trophy
10s - 0 trophies.

Lewis and (especially) Levy have made themselves very, very rich owning Tottenham Hotspur (maybe making themselves as much as £1.5 billion between them). Good for them. Measuring things from the perspective of how football clubs should actually be measured however (i.e. trophies) they haven't delivered at all.

Levy also did not inherit a team who had flirted with administration. That was Alan Sugar, a whole decade before Levy took over.
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This past decade has seen our club achieve its highest average league position since WWII, surpassing even Bill Nicholson’s 60s pomp, which just emphasises Spurs’ long history of being cup specialists.

1950s = 9th
1960s = 5th
1970s = 13th
1980s = 6th
1990s = 11th
2000s = 9th
2010s = 4th

With the advent of substitutes and money-doped clubs able to afford a second XI which cost more than most clubs’ starting line-ups, we have to hope that this new stadium allows us to break into that exclusive elite group who expect to finish in UEFA qualifying spots plus win silverware every season.
 
thfcsteff said:
Evidence recently suggest that is not the case.

If Levy could remember that, he'd be the perfect chairman. As it is, his fatal flaw is not giving the final word to the experts he hires, and making deals/appts based on HIS theory of football progression versus what, say, a DOF might think.

We need a progressive set up, progressive manager, but more than anything we need Levy to not just hire a real DoF, but to let him work unfettered.
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What evidence are you thinking of? I’m unsure how folks have concluded that Levy interferes with the football side of things.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
 
billyiddo said:
Since Levy arrived at Tottenham there have been 54 domestic trophies on offer, 45 of them won by the OG Sky top 4 + City the other 9 were solitary wins. Remove the League Cup and only 3 of 36 trophies were won by non OG + City clubs.
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Interesting, and I get the point you are making. But 54 in 20 years...are you including the Community Shield in your numbers?
 
Let’s not forget that appointing managers is a football decision, and that we’ve had more hits than misses under ENIC.

There is a disconnect between praising Levy for the training complex/stadium/appointing managers like Redknapp and Poch and saying he should having nothing to do with the football side.

There is no football side and no business side, just a football business, where decisions made flow in both directions.
 
Aldo said:
Interesting, and I get the point you are making. But 54 in 20 years...are you including the Community Shield in your numbers?
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Enic took over during the 2000-01 season, so i counted the 18 full seasons from 01/02 to 19/20 and included the league and both domestic cups

Adding in the 2000-01 season makes it 48 out of 57

Assuming City win the league this season, with the FA Cup still to play means it's 50 out of 59 (for 20 years)
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
Agree with all of these other than ... your assumption that enic don’t want to sell. I think they do personally but don’t think there is a buyer out there
The value is disproportionately high for a buyer IMO
The likliesty option wound be an owner who wants an NFL combo but that would mean the football side possible playing second fiddle to the NFL side. I’d hate that considering the club and stadium was built for football
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ENIC does not want to sell, never have, here's why

- Stadium was too expensive, they could have built it for half the price with no substantial difference to sale price
- They could have sold at peak times, stadium approval, first CL qualification, after CL finals, list goes on, too many times it would have been at most attractive that we didn't opt to sell
- It's just been too long, 20 years ..

Your second part is where the interesting options are

- either a joint investment from a current NFL franchise
- ENIC opt into a NFL franchise and own both

The stadium was built with NFL in mind, everything from the pitch to changing rooms, to me one of the above is just timing.

For what it is worth, a joint PL/NFL club would instantly create stupid amounts of revenue.
 
Raziel said:
ENIC does not want to sell, never have, here's why

- Stadium was too expensive, they could have built it for half the price with no substantial difference to sale price
- They could have sold at peak times, stadium approval, first CL qualification, after CL finals, list goes on, too many times it would have been at most attractive that we didn't opt to sell
- It's just been too long, 20 years ..

Your second part is where the interesting options are

- either a joint investment from a current NFL franchise
- ENIC opt into a NFL franchise and own both

The stadium was built with NFL in mind, everything from the pitch to changing rooms, to me one of the above is just timing.

For what it is worth, a joint PL/NFL club would instantly create stupid amounts of revenue.
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If the new franchise is owned by the football club then I’m all for it
Not if it’s the other way round
Arguably its semantics but for me it’s about priorities
The likelihood of a London based NFL team is moderatoe6nuigh I would say, but the key from what little I know is the Fulham owner and his NFL team. Hence why he wanted Wembley
 
Raziel said:
ENIC does not want to sell, never have, here's why

- Stadium was too expensive, they could have built it for half the price with no substantial difference to sale price
- They could have sold at peak times, stadium approval, first CL qualification, after CL finals, list goes on, too many times it would have been at most attractive that we didn't opt to sell
- It's just been too long, 20 years ..

Your second part is where the interesting options are

- either a joint investment from a current NFL franchise
- ENIC opt into a NFL franchise and own both

The stadium was built with NFL in mind, everything from the pitch to changing rooms, to me one of the above is just timing.

For what it is worth, a joint PL/NFL club would instantly create stupid amounts of revenue.
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I also believe the Stadium hasn't got a naming rights deal yet as they're waiting for the nfl games/franchise. This will skyrocket the sponsorship value.
 
mjc23 said:
I also believe the Stadium hasn't got a naming rights deal yet as they're waiting for the nfl games/franchise. This will skyrocket the sponsorship value.
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Yep, the traditionalist will die inside, but the American media, sponsors will kill themselves to be in line

"Super Sunday PL/NFL double header at the "insert sponsor here" stadium in London with a half time show (including pitch changeover), blah, blah, blah"

The hospitality/corporate sales will be off the charts
 
Levy and ENIC have made good and bad decisions to get us to this stage and people have made already lots of good points and i can see both sides.

However, from a football perspective we are now in a dreadful position with an ageing underperforming squad, no manager, possible European Super League sanctions to come and a huge covid and stadium related debt.

Poor long term football performance will undoubtedly damage the balance sheet and the one thing about this situation that brings a smile to my face is hoping that Levy can't sleep due to worrying about the immense problems the club, or should i say COMPANY, now faces..

Or maybe he just doesnt give a toss....

COYS.
 
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