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Daniel Levy - Chairman
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Bishop
John Lacy
The Teflon Don Levy will escape once again unscathed and free of criticism.
And Mourinho got 9 new players...
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Not sure if Jose said that?
metalgear
Luka Modric
not the ones he wanted
same with poch - clarke and sessegnon for the future but no new additions for immediate results
i'd like for someone to interview the THFC CFO to understand how he balances investments and expenditures on players. he's definitely got a say in this at the moment i picture our final transfer decision as such:
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Not elsewhere, he isn't. People are finally realizing how much of a deadweight he and ENIC are - TFC, r/coys, the Trust have had enough of him and ENIC (the meeting last week was brilliant in that regard)....
...GG seems to be the one place still pro-Levy - for different reasons, some valid, some less so.
I used to say that Spurs fans were about two-thirds ENIC in and a third ENIC-out, but that was during the good times with Poch. Now my gut feeling is that it's 50:50.
If there's any silver lining to Levy mismanaging everything and his useless leech of a boss sitting idly on his Bahamian yacht, it's that more people see what the root problem is. It wasn't Poch. It was only partly Mourinho.
It's our ownership model.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
This is outdated, but being shared around more and more recently.
The Sugar years were a curse for many reasons, but one of the longer-running ones has been that they were traumatic enough to convince many of us that twenty utterly barren years under ENIC, the worst period in our entire history (including those decades at the start when we were literally a non- league side)...were okay because Sugar.
We were the 4th-most successful club in England, once. We were a cup side, once. We won things, once.
All that, gone since ENIC got here. Twenty years of these deadweights.
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This is outdated, but being shared around more and more recently.
The Sugar years were a curse for many reasons, but one of the longer-running ones has been that they were traumatic enough to convince many of us that twenty utterly barren years under ENIC, the worst period in our entire history (including those decades at the start when we were non-figuratively a non- league side)...were okay because Sugar.
We were the 4th-most successful club in England, once. We were a cup side, once. We won things, once.
All that, gone since ENIC got here. Twenty years of these deadweights.
Lets have a real conversation (facts first, then opinion)
- 4th most successful translated to 17 major honors in 138 years (not exactly regular/serial winners)
Comparison to City
- Pre state sponsored money doping - 9 trophies, in one decade of money doping - 12 trophies (more in 10, than 130)
- Chelsea is even worse if it matters
Spurs in that time
- Levy inherited a club that hadn't been in Europe for over a decade, had one cup win in previous decade and had flirted with administration financially.
The above is facts
Opinion/conversation
- To deny that UK football is a rigged setup is stupid, with United/Pool/Arsenal winning the majority of trophies in PL era, then having Chelsea & City join the club has had an external impact on every other clubs ability to win anything in that time period
- Levy has build enough of a team/infrastructure/manger setup to get to at least the Quarter Finals of competitions 21 times (yep, fudging twenty one), a conversion rate of 1 in 21 is pretty bad. Is that on the players/mentality/managers/opposition/CL spot prioritization/chairman?
It comes back to, time and time again -> are supporters willing to support organic growth of the club, or do you just want to be a billionaire's plaything/state PR object? A lot of what I'm seeing/hearing online today is "wah! I didn't get what I want, so someone has to be accountable"
For me,
- I can't be angry re yesterday, City is a very good side, they played their full strength side (I hope it bites them in the ass Wednesday) and we had a junior manager who made some poor selection choices (not sure it would have made a difference)
- I do think in the Redknapp & Poch era we should have converted a couple of those SF/Final opps.
I don't see how it sits on Levy/ENIC unless (to previous point) we are upset it's not a City/Chelsea setup
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Levy/enic have built teams good enough to get to the finals-later stages, it comes down to the manager and players to get over tge line at least once.
That's now four finals where the players haven't turned up.
Off the top of my head the semi against utd when we went ahead and the 2-0 lead this year in the EL show up this bunch of chancers.
Weak doesn't come close.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Sugar has been the gift that has kept on giving for Lewis and Levy.... For some reason that relatively short stint of Sugar's ownership managed to convince a bunch of our fans that our true level was a midtable club as opposed to being the 4th/5th biggest team in the country.View attachment 11708
This is outdated, but being shared around more and more recently.
The Sugar years were a curse for many reasons, but one of the longer-running ones has been that they were traumatic enough to convince many of us that twenty utterly barren years under ENIC, the worst period in our entire history (including those decades at the start when we were non-figuratively a non- league side)...were okay because Sugar.
We were the 4th-most successful club in England, once. We were a cup side, once. We won things, once.
All that, gone since ENIC got here. Twenty years of these deadweights.
StephenH
David Ginola
They don’t!
More like, a terrible bit of management at the inception of the PL/CL era that allowed 3-4 (Sky 4, remember?) clubs to grab a massive financial advantage over the rest, that has caused us, Everton (similar comparison) and others to be playing catch up ever since. The FA's decision to turn a blind eye to Chelsea & City has also stacked the deck.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
They are not facts at all.... Levy inherited a team that had played in the UEFA Cup only 1 season before he arrived and had won 2 trophies in the decade prior to him arriving..... Twice the amount of trophies that we've won under his stewardship (despite his stewardship being twice that long).
60s - 5 trophies
70s - 3 trophies
80s - 3 trophies
90s - 2 trophies
00's - 1 trophy
10s - 0 trophies.
Lewis and (especially) Levy have made themselves very, very rich owning Tottenham Hotspur (maybe making themselves as much as £1.5 billion between them). Good for them. Measuring things from the perspective of how football clubs should actually be measured however (i.e. trophies) they haven't delivered at all.
Levy also did not inherit a team who had flirted with administration. That was Alan Sugar, a whole decade before Levy took over.
StephenH
David Ginola
Cough! Stadium? Then fecked by a pandemic. Give the guy a break!
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
We have built teams that are very good, but only under Redknapp did we build a good squad. It is squads that win you titles not teams, as the crunch games come towards the end of the season. There have been such large drop offs in quality between our first and second choice players that we are forced to overplay players and/or suffer from having to play much lower quality players. That all comes from serious under investment in the squad or making poor transfer decisions (a mixture of the two in our case).
We had a golden opportunity under Pochettino to kick on and become a truly huge club winning trophies but £5m net spend per window for 10 windows in a row is only going to see one thing happen when all of our rivals are busily spending real money trying to improve.
Pochettino performed miracles under a tiny budget to get us on the cusp of greatness, the owners failed him (and the fans) in taking him for granted and squandering a golden opportunity.
I find it interesting to see Liverpool's owners, diluting their investment to bring in capital to that their club can continue to compete at the top. American owners putting the success of the club ahead of their own financial wellbeing and apparently it is us who are supposed to have owners who are 'fans'?
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Every club has suffered the pandemic.... I hope we're not using the pandemic as a unique excuse for our owners?
Please tell me you didn't count a shared charity shield as a trophy in the 90's?
Please also tell me you didn't equate the value of the club as an asset going up to Levy & Lewis made £1.5B between them?
Your comparison to Liverpool is also telling, you see no difference (revenue/fanbase) other than the owners?
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Predictably the knives are out for Levy, but, going by transfermarkt.com, the Board's investment in the squad over the last two seasons amounts to a net outlay of over £160m.
GLC, Ndombele, Sessegnon, Clarke, Gedson and Bergwyn were all relative newcomers when Jose took over in November 2019. Of those, only Clarke and Gedson were greeted with anything other than outright approval. Arrivals during JM's tenure included Hart, Doherty, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Bale, Vinicius and Rodon. With the possible exception of Hart, all were hailed on here as excellent buys.
Okay we did have to endure two seasons of famine prior to that, but the £1.2bn investment in the new stadium may have been something of a distraction.
At the end of the day, Mourinho was brought in as the man most likely to deliver a trophy. He was given plenty of backing by the board, the only real negative being he would have preferred to invest in a CB rather than Bale. Against that there was huge excitement at the arrival of Bale, it was considered something of a coup.
So, all things considered, I'm not yet ready to buy into this latest narrative that Enic are exclusively preoccupied with putting profit before progress.
GLC, Ndombele, Sessegnon, Clarke, Gedson and Bergwyn were all relative newcomers when Jose took over in November 2019. Of those, only Clarke and Gedson were greeted with anything other than outright approval. Arrivals during JM's tenure included Hart, Doherty, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Bale, Vinicius and Rodon. With the possible exception of Hart, all were hailed on here as excellent buys.
Okay we did have to endure two seasons of famine prior to that, but the £1.2bn investment in the new stadium may have been something of a distraction.
At the end of the day, Mourinho was brought in as the man most likely to deliver a trophy. He was given plenty of backing by the board, the only real negative being he would have preferred to invest in a CB rather than Bale. Against that there was huge excitement at the arrival of Bale, it was considered something of a coup.
So, all things considered, I'm not yet ready to buy into this latest narrative that Enic are exclusively preoccupied with putting profit before progress.
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
Not speaking about 'true level'. But speaking about where the club actually was.
Not being blinded by a delusion of rightful place but actually dealing with what had happened in the prior years, the situation we found ourselves in (league positions, finances, players on the roster)
When arguments like yours are put forward and scrutinised, it's easy to see how much flim-flam they actually are. Our true level...? Oh yeah? I'm 40 tomorrow and have been a Spurs fan for about three quarters of that.
The evidence of my life and the experience of my support is that Spurs were a jobbing mid-table team with a recent history of doing ok in cups but that history was getting further away. The last ten to fifteen years have seen an unexpected (but sorely welcome) rise in prominence and stature, whilst dealing with a damn strange set of circumstances.
That pat little list you put of trophies may look like evidence of decline, but it summarises over SIXTY years. It's so free of context as to bear almost no meaning, save merely as a record. Nothing else to do with the story.