Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Baleforce]

Ferra the guy who did all the doping, the doctor was involved with Barcelona wasn't he. I remember reading he was over there and he also had links to Nadal in the tennis.

Yep, and Madrid.

Cycling was 5% of his work at most.

Tyler Hamilton said it in his autobiography, when he was in the waiting room he'd always see footballers in there.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yep, and Madrid.

Cycling was 5% of his work at most.

Tyler Hamilton said it in his autobiography, when he was in the waiting room he'd always see footballers in there.

Lots of Dutch and Belgian guys too
I haven’t got the names to hand
One worked for Leicester and one is at red bull currently

 

[DubaiSpur]

Do you really think that it is because our physios are sub-par?

Yep.

Do you not think that players at times get serious injuries?

Not to the extent we do. Between 2009 and 2014, as I recall, we were in the top four teams for minutes lost to injury, every single season. Since then, we have lost literally all of our first-choice defensive midfielders to long-term injuries that ruined their careers, from Sandro to Wanyama to Dembele, have seen players develop chronic long-term issues that have to be managed, like Kane, and have seen players with literally spotless records (not a single long-term injury) prior to arriving at Spurs become permacrocks, namely Lamela and now (sadly) Lo Celso.

Do you really think that our physios are our last line when it comes to injuries? Have you not heard of the dozens of times that our players have gone to the specialist in the field of that particular injury? Do you really think that Levy is going to pump 100s of millions into infrastructure and yet let the likes of Kane get treated by some hack?

Well, we're happy to spend tens of millions on players that are dogsh*t based on what I can only imagine was dubious scouting, so why would that not also be possible in terms of physios? You don't have to be utterly atrcious at your job to still underperform relative to the rest of the league - it is a top league, after all. Which is why my phrasing is that our physios are sub-par, not frauds or hacks. Just not great, and defo can be fired and replaced.

As for specialists, yes, but their longer-term recoveries have less to do with specialist consultations than long-term care by our chaps. I think that's where we struggle, although it's only a guess on my part.

Physios in every single top club are now seriously qualified, with every club employing doctors. You are more aware of injuries with our team, but ask a fan of just about any other team and they will bitch and moan about injuries just as much as you do about ours.

True, but I struggle to think of a team which has been struck by as many career-limiting injuries as ours, with many coming in training, outside of games. Again, every defensive midfielder we have ever had in the past decade, with the sole exception of Parker, has succumbed to some strange career-limiting permanent injury, from Sandro to Dier to Wanyama to Dembele. That isn't normal, imo.

 

[Trixster]

Sir Alex is the best example of a chairman spending a long time over a decision and then backing himself that I can think of.

How I wish Scholar had not given up so easily.

Allegedly he had a verbal agreement with Ferguson, or so the story goes, but he should have sorted things out with Burkinshaw - who knows how much more we could have done.

 

[DubSpur]

Yep.
Not to the extent we do. Between 2009 and 2014, as I recall, we were in the top four teams for minutes lost to injury, every single season. Since then, we have lost non-figuratively all of our first-choice defensive midfielders to long-term injuries that ruined their careers, from Sandro to Wanyama to Dembele, have seen players develop chronic long-term issues that have to be managed, like Kane, and have seen players with non-figuratively spotless records (not a single long-term injury) prior to arriving at Spurs become permacrocks, namely Lamela and now (sadly) Lo Celso.

Would you mind listing them and providing evidence or is this your memory? I prefer facts to anyone's memory.
I can equally say that between 2009 and 2014, as I can recall, we were the bestest in the whole wide world for injuries, but it doesn't make it true (I can barely remember what I had for breakfast so never rely on my memory).

Well, we're happy to spend tens of millions on players that are dogsh*t based on what I can only imagine was dubious scouting, so why would that not also be possible in terms of physios? You don't have to be utterly atrcious at your job to still underperform relative to the rest of the league - it is a top league, after all. Which is why my phrasing is that our physios are sub-par, not frauds or hacks. Just not great, and defo can be fired and replaced.

As for specialists, yes, but their longer-term recoveries have less to do with specialist consultations than long-term care by our chaps. I think that's where we struggle, although it's only a guess on my part.

Can you give me details on your insider knowledge of the team's medical records, details of your medical expertise to judge such a field, and details of your comparison between our physios dealing with injuries and other team's physios? Because I'd be damned if I'd know where to start with such a comparison to know if they are sub-par, par or the creme de la creme.

True, but I struggle to think of a team which has been struck by as many career-limiting injuries as ours, with many coming in training, outside of games.

Again can you give details? What career-limiting injuries have happened in training? Is it a really an occurring theme?

Again, every defensive midfielder we have ever had in the past decade, with the sole exception of Parker, has succumbed to some strange career-limiting permanent injury, from Sandro to Dier to Wanyama to Dembele. That isn't normal, imo.

Again can you give details? Sandro had an impact injury during a game that led to his problems, he has said as much himself, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Dier? He has problems, but I would suggest that is more skillset than injury, but again feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Moussa? He played the best part of 40 games every season up until his last season with us, not as bad a record as made out, and again feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

As far as I can see it's just hyperbole about our injury record and our "sub-par" physio team with zero facts to back it up. That does not mean that they cannot be improved on, just that so far I have seen no facts that would give any support to your position on their ability.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Would you mind listing them and providing evidence or is this your memory? I prefer facts to anyone's memory.
I can equally say that between 2009 and 2014, as I can recall, we were the bestest in the whole wide world for injuries, but it doesn't make it true (I can barely remember what I had for breakfast so never rely on my memory).


Can you give me details on your insider knowledge of the team's medical records, details of your medical expertise to judge such a field, and details of your comparison between our physios dealing with injuries and other team's physios? Because I'd be damned if I'd know where to start with such a comparison to know if they are sub-par, par or the creme de la creme.


Again can you give details? What career-limiting injuries have happened in training? Is it a really an occurring theme?


Again can you give details? Sandro had an impact injury during a game that led to his problems, he has said as much himself, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Dier? He has problems, but I would suggest that is more skillset than injury, but again feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Moussa? He played the best part of 40 games every season up until his last season with us, not as bad a record as made out, and again feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

As far as I can see it's just hyperbole about our injury record and our "sub-par" physio team with zero facts to back it up. That does not mean that they cannot be improved on, just that so far I have seen no facts that would give any support to your position on their ability.

Lamela is the one that has the training ground injuries that meant career changing surgery

 

[StephenH]

Big fan of Levy but Bale's return has been one of the worst publicity stunts ever seen in football.
It shows us how Daniels mind works in these matters and illustrates why he had the hots Mourinho.

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Was a massive fan of his but have been fed up with him since 2019 and now know his eyes are only the prize sale that ENIC would receive when selling the club.

 

[parklane1]

Was a massive fan of his but have been fed up with him since 2019 and now know his eyes are only the prize sale that ENIC would receive when selling the club.

I wish i had a pound every time i have heard a muppet say that over the last several years.

 

[StephenH]

I wish i had a pound every time i have heard a muppet say that over the last several years.

Yes, me to but sadly it doesn't make it wrong now. Daniel has made some poor judgement calls of late. They all smack of being quick fixes of late. The current Bale saga is embarrassing for the club and unnecessary wast of £250K a week. It has emphasised Mourinho's shortcomings in handling his players.

 

[billyiddo]

Why is it embarrassing- i doubt anyone gives it a second thought?

 

[StephenH]

Why is it embarrassing- i doubt anyone gives it a second thought?

Well, they should. What a waste of money we don't have or should/could use elsewhere.

 

[billyiddo]

Well, they should. What a waste of money we don't have or should/could use elsewhere.

Mountain, Molehill

I don't think for a second that the Bale money was available to be spent elsewhere it was something found down the back of the sofa for a opportune deal that potentially had a bit of magic about it

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Was a massive fan of his but have been fed up with him since 2019 and now know his eyes are only the prize sale that ENIC would receive when selling the club.

Who is buying a football club for the best part of a couple of £B with a £600m loan hanging over them
I’m sure ENIC would sell if they to had an offer they thought was acceptable bug I just don’t see anyone offering the right kind of money

 

[billyiddo]

Who is buying a football club for the best part of a couple of £B with a £600m loan hanging over them
I’m sure ENIC would sell if they to had an offer they thought was acceptable bug I just don’t see anyone offering the right kind of money

Not only that but someone who does is only going to be more focussed on the £££s than what Levy is accused of

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Well, they should. What a waste of money we don't have or should/could use elsewhere.

it’s wages
It was a gamble worth taking IMO
Yeah if a hang worked so far but I’d back that call 9 times out of 10
You can work out a players fitness but you can’t work out their drive and hunger from a distance

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Not only that but someone who does is only going to be more focussed on the £££s than what Levy is accused of

Theh would have to be surely
I mean that would be a mega money purchase
And that’s why it’s no where near to being in the cards

 

[StephenH]

Mountain, Molehill

I don't think for a second that the Bale money was available to be spent elsewhere it was something found down the back of the sofa for a opportune deal that potentially had a bit of magic about it

Expensive molehill.
Stupid move.

 

[billyiddo]

A drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things mate

 

[Jordinho]

Not only that but someone who does is only going to be more focussed on the £££s than what Levy is accused of

Surely a new owner will give us a billion of their own money to spend on new players and transform us into serial winners unlike that scrooge Levy?