Coronavirus

[glorygloryeze]

I'd love to see the data on who suffered bad reactions to vaccine percentage-wise. I know they're out there, but in terms of proportion and percentage, what are the figures?

All depends on what you call suffering 'due top the vaccine'. Of course if, like in some cases, someone fit and healthy rapidly deteriorates and dies within hours or days of having had the jab then of course that is (relatively) clear.
The problem is how such a reaction is defined for data collection purposes vs say a death said to be from coronavirus (whereby a person could be hit by a bus, die of a drug overdose or whatever but because it is within 28 days of a positive test it gets reported as a coronavirus death).
Then there is the relative media blackout, deplatforming, cancelling etc of such information that also makes it hard to get numbers (not to mention the big discouragement that clinicians are said to be under when reporting such, not to mention the very complicated, long and cumbersome process of submiting said reports).

Information is out there for you to look at. There's the more 'official' ones in the USA (VAERS), the EU (EMA) and then the UK (MHRA Yellow reports) which again the media largely ignores or 'fact checks'.
Check out the above reporting systems to get a feel for the numbers. According to the VAERS system in the USA there have been as many deaths in 10 months from the covid vaccines than there have been from ALL vaccine-related deaths combined going back the previous 10 years or so, apparently.

On top of that there are several online/social media support groups for people who've suffered injuries or lost relatives after having taken the jabs. Seek those out too to get a feel.

The fact that with all the adverse reactions seen there is almost complete dismissal as to why they might be happening (could there physical demographic factors such as BMI etc) and a push that even all kids should take it is again obscene (and i'm not even going to mention the basis of 'vaccine passports').

 

[markysimmo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1451278257765163008

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Exactly this. I can't give too much away but I've worked as a protocols manager in sport and film over the last 8 month and the PL is one of our clients, spoken to some players and the reason the uptake is so low is because they are literally in many cases hugely analytical of what goes in their bodies, many use DNA testing companies as an example to examine hereditary issues, food issues, potential illness threats etc so for them they have weighed up risk. Many have had Covid and recovered fully, many have seen colleagues have it and recover fully so for them they in some cases don't want to put in their bodies what might even in small cases have an adverse affect.

Didn’t Klopp say Liverpool are like 100% vaxed recently? Are the Liverpool players not analytical as to what goes in their body?

 

[johnola]

How long will the vaccine shy wait exactly?

I’my happy to report I’m still alive after two jabs (az) and this seasons flu jab).

And, for what it’s worth all the while I am alive I can live in the knowledge I have done everything in my powers to protect my friends family and community, from a nasty virus that will still kill many more people in England and across the world.

 

[Lilbaz]

And said vaccination doesn't stop your worker contracting it or spreading it so...

You do realise there is a difference between, asymptomatic, mild, severe and death?

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...62b2-mRNA-COVID-19-vaccination-in-Israel.aspx

Thus, the results indicate that Israel would have at least three times more hospitalizations and deaths if the vaccination campaign did not take place. Furthermore, the study also found that 73% of SARS-CoV-2 infections and 79% COVID-19-related hospitalizations and deaths could be averted in fully vaccinated individuals.

As an employer a third of hospitalizations and deaths among my workforce, would be seen as a good thing.

 

[awesome dawson]

Vaccine take up in the UK is quite low compared to here in Australia. We'll end up with over 90% of the population double vaxxed, possibly by the end of the year. Out of my team at work, approx 20 people, one is refusing to get the vaccine, she's from Manchester. Probably voted for Brexit too.

 

[Lilbaz]

Vaccine take up in the UK is quite low compared to here in Australia. We'll end up with over 90% of the population double vaxxed, possibly by the end of the year. Out of my team at work, approx 20 people, one is refusing to get the vaccine, she's from Manchester. Probably voted for Brexit too.

Largely because we haven't pushed it for u18s. Over that we are at 90%.

 

[Grays_1890]

Didn’t Klopp say Liverpool are like 100% vaxed recently? Are the Liverpool players not analytical as to what goes in their body?

No not 100%, we know a fair few there that are not either.

 

[Grays_1890]

How long will the vaccine shy wait exactly?

I’my happy to report I’m still alive after two jabs (az) and this seasons flu jab).

And, for what it’s worth all the while I am alive I can live in the knowledge I have done everything in my powers to protect my friends family and community, from a nasty virus that will still kill many more people in England and across the world.

Do you still social distance from friends and relatives?

 

[thfcsteff]

All depends on what you call suffering 'due top the vaccine'. Of course if, like in some cases, someone fit and healthy rapidly deteriorates and dies within hours or days of having had the jab then of course that is (relatively) clear.
The problem is how such a reaction is defined for data collection purposes vs say a death said to be from coronavirus (whereby a person could be hit by a bus, die of a drug overdose or whatever but because it is within 28 days of a positive test it gets reported as a coronavirus death).
Then there is the relative media blackout, deplatforming, cancelling etc of such information that also makes it hard to get numbers (not to mention the big discouragement that clinicians are said to be under when reporting such, not to mention the very complicated, long and cumbersome process of submiting said reports).

Information is out there for you to look at. There's the more 'official' ones in the USA (VAERS), the EU (EMA) and then the UK (MHRA Yellow reports) which again the media largely ignores or 'fact checks'.
Check out the above reporting systems to get a feel for the numbers. According to the VAERS system in the USA there have been as many deaths in 10 months from the covid vaccines than there have been from ALL vaccine-related deaths combined going back the previous 10 years or so, apparently.

On top of that there are several online/social media support groups for people who've suffered injuries or lost relatives after having taken the jabs. Seek those out too to get a feel.

The fact that with all the adverse reactions seen there is almost complete dismissal as to why they might be happening (could there physical demographic factors such as BMI etc) and a push that even all kids should take it is again obscene (and i'm not even going to mention the basis of 'vaccine passports').

Appreciate the response.
I look at various numbers but do not feel I am an expert, thus don't especially try to second guess things beyond the boundaries of what I call common logic versus speculation or spurious whispers.

What is a 'relative media blackout' for example, and before anyone thinks I am naive, trust me, I understand very well how media manipulation works.
Is big Pharma making money out of covid? Absolutely; no wealthy person ever let a good crisis go to waste. Does it mean that they're peddling junk? Why would they? No-one has been able to explain why any vaccine would be an 'agent of destruction' in the physical sense.
If we want to discus socio-economic divisions, then yes, plenty to get into there, starting with inequity of vaccine availability for third world nations and certain continents.

Do you believe this report from the AMA?
Call me a fool, but I do.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering...onavirus-research-paved-way-covid-19-vaccines

Vaccination might just see this become something we can live with in our societies.

 

[Bullet]

According to the VAERS system in the USA there have been as many deaths in 10 months from the covid vaccines than there have been from ALL vaccine-related deaths combined going back the previous 10 years or so.

That's just maths and politics i.e. we suddenly vaccinate 90% of people in a year rather than 9% of people, so see 10 times the number of "incidents" and as you said prior, they just call anyone that dies 2 weeks later "covid-related death".

 

[Lilbaz]

All depends on what you call suffering 'due top the vaccine'. Of course if, like in some cases, someone fit and healthy rapidly deteriorates and dies within hours or days of having had the jab then of course that is (relatively) clear.
The problem is how such a reaction is defined for data collection purposes vs say a death said to be from coronavirus (whereby a person could be hit by a bus, die of a drug overdose or whatever but because it is within 28 days of a positive test it gets reported as a coronavirus death).
Then there is the relative media blackout, deplatforming, cancelling etc of such information that also makes it hard to get numbers (not to mention the big discouragement that clinicians are said to be under when reporting such, not to mention the very complicated, long and cumbersome process of submiting said reports).

Information is out there for you to look at. There's the more 'official' ones in the USA (VAERS), the EU (EMA) and then the UK (MHRA Yellow reports) which again the media largely ignores or 'fact checks'.
Check out the above reporting systems to get a feel for the numbers. According to the VAERS system in the USA there have been as many deaths in 10 months from the covid vaccines than there have been from ALL vaccine-related deaths combined going back the previous 10 years or so, apparently.

On top of that there are several online/social media support groups for people who've suffered injuries or lost relatives after having taken the jabs. Seek those out too to get a feel.

The fact that with all the adverse reactions seen there is almost complete dismissal as to why they might be happening (could there physical demographic factors such as BMI etc) and a push that even all kids should take it is again obscene (and i'm not even going to mention the basis of 'vaccine passports').

Lol. You realise how much of a hypocrite you are. Criticising covid death numbers because they might have had covid but died from something else. Yet saying that people dying after being vaccinated is because of the vaccine?
Yes you are correct the people dying from covid within 28 days of a positive test is crap. It's what number the government switched to because it was smaller after the first wave, as they didn't want to look bad compared to other countries. But they are not the only numbers produced. The original number was based on people dying with covid listed on the death certificate as a contributing factor. The third was excess deaths, how many more people died than the 5 year average. At the beginning this was the highest. Many people were dying without having been tested. Some stayed at home with their families rather than dying alone in hospital. This is now the lowest number at roughly 97,000 according to the ons. Why is it the lowest? Because many people that died were very old and very sick and would have died within a month or so anyway even if they hadn't got covid.

People have died from taking the vaccines. These are public knowledge. Many countries restricted giving az to certain age groups. I believe denmark stopped giving it at all. We know moderna has a risk of causing myocarditis. With all medicine there are risks. They are not covered up, they were reported in the media. The yellow card and vaers are available online.

There is not some great conspiracy. There are people taking advantage of the situation ofcourse. Churchill said never let a good crisis go to waste. People won't, they'll manipulate it to their advantage.

If you think there is a condpiracy then be honest and answer this:

What is the conspiracy?
Who is in on it?
Who benefits?
Who loses out?
How was it organised?
How do you know?

 

[AuroRaman]

Lol. You realise how much of a hypocrite you are. Criticising covid death numbers because they might have had covid but died from something else. Yet saying that people dying after being vaccinated is because of the vaccine?
Yes you are correct the people dying from covid within 28 days of a positive test is crap. It's what number the government switched to because it was smaller after the first wave, as they didn't want to look bad compared to other countries. But they are not the only numbers produced. The original number was based on people dying with covid listed on the death certificate as a contributing factor. The third was excess deaths, how many more people died than the 5 year average. At the beginning this was the highest. Many people were dying without having been tested. Some stayed at home with their families rather than dying alone in hospital. This is now the lowest number at roughly 97,000 according to the ons. Why is it the lowest? Because many people that died were very old and very sick and would have died within a month or so anyway even if they hadn't got covid.

People have died from taking the vaccines. These are public knowledge. Many countries restricted giving az to certain age groups. I believe denmark stopped giving it at all. We know moderna has a risk of causing myocarditis. With all medicine there are risks. They are not covered up, they were reported in the media. The yellow card and vaers are available online.

There is not some great conspiracy. There are people taking advantage of the situation ofcourse. Churchill said never let a good crisis go to waste. People won't, they'll manipulate it to their advantage.

If you think there is a condpiracy then be honest and answer this:

What is the conspiracy?
Who is in on it?
Who benefits?
Who loses out?
How was it organised?
How do you know?

I started typing all this out. Then thought ‘I can’t be fudging bothered’. So thank you for persevering.

 

[Diamond Lights]

Anti vaxxers. Lolz.

Saw a video of some people rock up to Colchester hospital to serve a notice, something about the Pope and Covid being fake.

Like, do you ever think to yourself "how?" How do normal minded people think there's a global conspiracy? to @Lilbaz point, who is behind it?

I reckon it's James Cordon. He's behind everything nowadays. Or my wife. Her dream was to have me locked down in a house with her for as long as possible. Either plausible.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Vaccine take up in the UK is quite low compared to here in Australia. We'll end up with over 90% of the population double vaxxed, possibly by the end of the year. Out of my team at work, approx 20 people, one is refusing to get the vaccine, she's from Manchester. Probably voted for Brexit too.

What does working in the linen department have to do with it?

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Anti vaxxers. Lolz.

Saw a video of some people rock up to Colchester hospital to serve a notice, something about the Pope and Covid being fake.

Like, do you ever think to yourself "how?" How do normal minded people think there's a global conspiracy? to @Lilbaz point, who is behind it?

I reckon it's James Cordon. He's behind everything nowadays. Or my wife. Her dream was to have me locked down in a house with her for as long as possible. Either plausible.

I saw that video. It was most bizarre.

Certain individual reservations I can understand. But the anti-vaxxers are just dangerous with the crap that they spout and spread.

And count yourself lucky - your wife's dream could have been to have you locked down with James Cordon.

 

[johnola]

Do you still social distance from friends and relatives?

I practice and respect the same restrictions they do yes. If it’s not compulsory to wear a mask I wouldn’t, and I don’t go to any high risk events.

I was shielding for 15 months as was in a bubble with my parents who are elderly and poorly so it’s more important lately that they know what risks I take personally.

For example, having gone away for a long weekend recently I didn’t see them face to face for over a week.

There are plenty of people who are happy to turn around and say the government don’t know what they are doing and have handled covid badly. And in the next breath say they are not prepared to do anymore than that government asks them, without recognising the gap and inconsistency. I am not one of them.

Is that alright with you.

 

[Diamond Lights]

Btw. Masks on the trains and underground (a condition of travel i may add).

Why? Why is wearing a mask for say 40mins so difficult? Kane wore a far more uncomfortable mask for an hour in the Royal Rumble years ago, yet a 40min train journey is unbearable for some?

Really frustrates me, people whining like they're being asked to do something difficult. No one is taking your liberty away. They're just asking you not to be a dingdong. But you can't help but be a dingdong can you.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Btw. Masks on the trains and underground (a condition of travel i may add).

Why? Why is wearing a mask for say 40mins so difficult? Kane wore a far more uncomfortable mask for an hour in the Royal Rumble years ago, yet a 40min train journey is unbearable for some?

Really frustrates me, people whining like they're being asked to do something difficult. No one is taking your liberty away. They're just asking you not to be a dingdong. But you can't help but be a dingdong can you.

I know mate. No one likes wearing a mask but it’s a very small sacrifice to make.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I know mate. No one likes wearing a mask but it’s a very small sacrifice to make.

When do you stop though? When is the situation ever going to be any different, now its gone endemic? Isn't the best thing for humanity now to have the healthy regularly exposed to it, to speed up its pathway to fully become just another cold? Hiding away from it only made sense before there was the vaccine to take away everyone's first/hardest hit - the 'novel' bit of novel coronavirus. Immunity works by exposure, not avoidance. Look how bad colds have become this year, simply because everyone avoided them last year and so their immunity waned.