Coronavirus

[Bedfordspurs]

This week is the first one in which I feel the momentum has really begun to shift during this pandemic. There are so many effective vaccines coming through now that it really feels like the end might be in sight - even if that is probably still a few months off.

I hardly ever came into Randomination before this all kicked off. I can’t wait to get back to our brick central defence being my major concern; and posting on here over a lovely coffee, and poached eggs on toast, in my favourite cafe.

It’s comedy gold to see our government actually got something right in comparison to others, particularly the EU
Although I have see pro eu people claiming we should give the vaccines we have brought to Europe as their our fweinds..

 

[scaramanga]

A bit like every other job then. Lots of grafters and a few lazy bricks.

The lazy ones get sacked in the real world though.

At the absolute best, terrible teachers get a glowing reference so they can become someone else's problem.

 

[Robspur12]

It’s comedy gold to see our government actually got something right in comparison to others, particularly the EU
Although I have see pro eu people claiming we should give the vaccines we have brought to Europe as their our fweinds..

I think that vaccine nationalism is wrong but this row alongside the status of the EU ambassador shows the level of distrust and bad feeling between the UK and the EU. It's really counter productive and sad.

 

[scaramanga]

I think that vaccine nationalism is wrong but this row alongside the status of the EU ambassador shows the level of distrust and bad feeling between the UK and the EU. It's really counter productive and sad.

I think it more accurately shows that their first instinct is to fudge us over, then being tempered by common sense once they realise how petty they look.

They really are starting to look more and more like that psycho ex fudge who keeps throwing drinks at every new woman you're out with.

Edit:
What's your issue with vaccine nationalism?

I want the whole world vaccinated but I want this country vaccinated first, followed by any country I might want to holiday in, then everyone else.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think that vaccine nationalism is wrong but this row alongside the status of the EU ambassador shows the level of distrust and bad feeling between the UK and the EU. It's really counter productive and sad.

As someone who has worked and currently works in commercial and procurement within the EU rules.... I’d say that the whole thing shows that the EU is too big, too powerful and too arrogant at times
Their lack of flexibility on vaccinations has cost them badly and will cost them lives
And do you know what.... it may be the kind of thing that rocks the boat there

 

[P.D.]

The biggest rooster ups so far have been in not using the industry expertise available and instead using the “consultancy’s” who didn’t and don’t have a clue
I come across them all the time and it’s death by power point, but regurgitating the same brick
Having Deloittes tell companies how to run a vaccine centre when those companies run outdoor events all the time was comical
I’d love to know what companies were involved in the PPE sourcing so I can avoid working with them again

Agreed, a lot of that work is logitics as well where there's plenty of choice available.

The vaccine taskforce have done a good job though, went early and got ones made in lots of different ways to cover ourselves.

It’s comedy gold to see our government actually got something right in comparison to others, particularly the EU
Although I have see pro eu people claiming we should give the vaccines we have brought to Europe as their our fweinds..

Like Sturgeon can't wait to give the EU the lowdown on vaccine deliveries.

Facts are the EU moved too slowly and now they're turning into a big cry baby.

 

[Robspur12]

What's your issue with vaccine nationalism?

In the long term it is counterproductive because this is a global pandemic. People can easily carry variants from one country to another. We are seeing it. Plus vaccinations will be ongoing. We may be ahead of the curve this time but may not always be the case.

As someone who has worked and currently works in commercial and procurement within the EU rules.... I’d say that the whole thing shows that the EU is too big, too powerful and too arrogant at times
Their lack of flexibility on vaccinations has cost them badly and will cost them lives
And do you know what.... it may be the kind of thing that rocks the boat there

I don't know much about EU procurement but their scheme to procure PPE and ventilators was highly successful and relatively cost effective. The idea behind the joint vaccine procurement was to avoid vaccine nationalism between member states. However, @P.D. said it right, they were slower than the UK and are acting like babies. But why does that show that the EU as a whole is failing? How many bloody mistakes have we made?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Agreed, a lot of that work is logitics as well where there's plenty of choice available.

The vaccine taskforce have done a good job though, went early and got ones made in lots of different ways to cover ourselves.



Like Sturgeon can't wait to give the EU the lowdown on vaccine deliveries.

Facts are the EU moved too slowly and now they're turning into a big cry baby.

Yep
As I say, the gov have been a shower of sheet today but really got this right and low and behold other counties are now jealous and angry
The same ones that ridiculed the UK government too

 

[Bedfordspurs]

In the long term it is counterproductive because this is a global pandemic. People can easily carry variants from one country to another. We are seeing it. Plus vaccinations will be ongoing. We may be ahead of the curve this time but may not always be the case.


I don't know much about EU procurement but their scheme to procure PPE and ventilators was highly successful and relatively cost effective. The idea behind the joint vaccine procurement was to avoid vaccine nationalism between member states. However, @P.D. said it right, they were slower than the UK and are acting like babies.

The idea behind everything with the EU is control
Control from a lot of people who really aren’t capable of it
TBF it’s no different to an elected government in that we don’t get to say who does what in that government

I agree that people can carry it from county to country but hey that’s his it landed here in the first place

We get finished first and can sit their smugly for a brief period. It no bad place to be suddenly

add in that the development of vaccines has shown the actual strength we have on these shores in that field and it’s a highlight of some things so we’re good at on these shores (and I can guarantee that a huge part of it will have been via immigrant workers and their intellect working here). It’s a bloody good news story in a time of very little

 

[Robspur12]

The idea behind everything with the EU is control
Control from a lot of people who really aren’t capable of it
TBF it’s no different to an elected government in that we don’t get to say who does what in that government

I agree that people can carry it from county to country but hey that’s his it landed here in the first place

We get finished first and can sit their smugly for a brief period. It no bad place to be suddenly

add in that the development of vaccines has shown the actual strength we have on these shores in that field and it’s a highlight of some things so we’re good at on these shores (and I can guarantee that a huge part of it will have been via immigrant workers and their intellect working here). It’s a bloody good news story in a time of very little

Why can't we see vaccine development as an international collaboration? Why do we have to be so Fudging parochial about it? Vaccines have been developed all over the world. I don't think the UK can be smug about anything when it comes to coronavirus.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Why can't we see vaccine development as an international collaboration? Why do we have to be so Fudging parochial about it? Vaccines have been developed all over the world. I don't think the UK can be smug about anything when it comes to coronavirus.

Because we need to promote and sell the UK
The vaccines that have been developed here can be shared with the world
I believe someone posted here that the tech is being shared like open architecture so others can develop their own but I may be wrong
But don’t think for one second it wouldn’t happen the other way round.., it would and it does in many, many fields
as I said earlier I’ve had a lot of experience of it and I get paid a lot of money to do what I do to help.

 

[StephenH]

So the UK played supermarket sweep with vaccines. Dread to think the waste involved if PPE is an example. I guess we will find out when we get to the checkout. Boris and co have done well vaccine UK wise. But it makes me uneasy, as I just can't understand why if all the strategy was 'let's just buy as much as possible' and sod everybody else.

We might as well turn Heathrow airport into an Amazon warehouse now as there will be little travel until we all have the vaccines.

 

[P.D.]

In the long term it is counterproductive because this is a global pandemic. People can easily carry variants from one country to another. We are seeing it. Plus vaccinations will be ongoing. We may be ahead of the curve this time but may not always be the case.


I don't know much about EU procurement but their scheme to procure PPE and ventilators was highly successful and relatively cost effective. The idea behind the joint vaccine procurement was to avoid vaccine nationalism between member states. However, @P.D. said it right, they were slower than the UK and are acting like babies. But why does that show that the EU as a whole is failing? How many bloody mistakes have we made?

I'm not in favour of vaccine nationalim but the UK has one of the highest death tolls, highest case rates and biggest economic decline so based on need I'd say the UK should be a priority. Once enough people have been vaccinated here then of course we should share but we're nowhere near that level yet.

Don't forget we have already contributed - the UK has donated more than the EU has to Covax for instance (I believe we're the biggest single donor to it) and funded the Oxford research which in turn led to the only vaccine that will be supplied to the world on a not for profit basis.

We also do around 50% of the worlds sequencing which alerts others when there's mutations such as the current one is another example and we also have the NHS recovery trials which have led to finding a few drugs that reduce deaths quite significantly.

All in I'd say we're contributing more to the global efforts than anyone else.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I think that vaccine nationalism is wrong but this row alongside the status of the EU ambassador shows the level of distrust and bad feeling between the UK and the EU. It's really counter productive and sad.

Your right. But it also shows the EU up in a bad light.

It is another thing Johnson has got wrong, because all he had to do was come out and say the row was between the EU and a privately owned British/Swedish company and nothing to do with the UK.

For me the EU and Macron are showing themselves up for what I always thought they were.

 

[scaramanga]

Why can't we see vaccine development as an international collaboration? Why do we have to be so Fudging parochial about it? Vaccines have been developed all over the world. I don't think the UK can be smug about anything when it comes to coronavirus.

Mainly because there's limited supply.

If there were 14B doses available right now I'd agree. But we need to work in real world conditions where doses are limited.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I'm not in favour of vaccine nationalim but the UK has one of the highest death tolls, highest case rates and biggest economic decline so based on need I'd say the UK should be a priority. Once enough people have been vaccinated here then of course we should share but we're nowhere near that level yet.

Don't forget we have already contributed - the UK has donated more than the EU has to Covax for instance (I believe we're the biggest single donor to it) and funded the Oxford research which in turn led to the only vaccine that will be supplied to the world on a not for profit basis.

Wait what the British helped fund the only not for profit vaccine in the world.

Sorry old fella but I'm reporting you to admin. The British are barbarian racist fools and anyone posting or saying anything to the contrary should be taken to the tower.

Your right to say we should be giving the vaccines away once we have protected our own population but rather then giving it to the imperialist EU I would rather we gave to less developed countries that could not afford it.

 

[P.D.]

Wait what the British helped fund the only not for profit vaccine in the world.

Sorry old fella but I'm reporting you to admin. The British are barbarian racist fools and anyone posting or saying anything to the contrary should be taken to the tower.

Your right to say we should be giving the vaccines away once we have protected our own population but rather then giving it to the imperialist EU I would rather we gave to less developed countries that could not afford it.

Also edited to include a few more things which I'd forgotten.

We also do around 50% of the worlds sequencing which alerts others when there's mutations such as the current one is another example and we also have the NHS recovery trials which have led to finding a few drugs that reduce deaths quite significantly.

All in I'd say we're contributing more to the global efforts than anyone else.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Also edited to include a few more things which I'd forgotten.

We also do around 50% of the worlds sequencing which alerts others when there's mutations such as the current one is another example and we also have the NHS recovery trials which have led to finding a few drugs that reduce deaths quite significantly.

All in I'd say we're contributing more to the global efforts than anyone else.

Right that's done it you racist little Englander, reported twice.

 

[LutonSpurs]

We need the vaccines more than most countries because of how badly we have fudged our response to the pandemic.

And that poor response has been driven by anti lockdown folk who are now celebrating the stupid EU beef.

The whole thing is pathetic.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

We need the vaccines more than most countries because of how badly we have fudged our response to the pandemic.

And that poor response has been driven by anti lockdown folk who are now celebrating the stupid EU beef.

The whole thing is pathetic.

Not celebrating stupid EU beef. But rather pointing out the EU has picked a fight with us rather then a private company. Something the EU has a history of when you see them allowing for example Germany to directly invest state aid in energy and transport companies but telling the on the whole law abiding British not to do the same.

We have had to listen to how amazing and brilliant the EU is, never doing wrong. Is it any wonder people are looking at this and thinking hang on a minute.

The lack of criticism of the EU when they are so obviously in the wrong leads me to think a lot of the criticism of the UK on issues has it's roots in something that most people deny exists, anti British and English sentiments at best or pure hatred at worst. The same can be said for that odd woman up in Scotland.