alekaras
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Looks like it's not possible to get Messi, Ronaldo, or Neymar. Should we?
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Bale. Could we? Would we? Should we?
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Mosquito_Coasting
Jonathan Woodgate
Neymar? I guess he'd be good entertainment for the squad's kids at parties and picnics.
He'd be good competition for Aunumberwang in the "whose hair makes you want to kick them in the face the most" contest.
Mosquito_Coasting
Jonathan Woodgate
He's the worst, can't understand how he thinks it's okay to show his face in public after that last World Cup.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
His league participation was 68% over the 6 years he's been at RM and 72% in the last 2 years, so it hasn't gotten progressively worse. If anything, in the last two years it has gotten better. And the numbers I'm quoting you don't even count how many times he was an unused sub. But let's not let wishy-washy facts get in the way, shall we?
As for the long stretches at inopportune times, you think that's a player trait and not just dumb luck?! And by the way, any time you have a player out for 3-4 weeks it will be an inopportune time, because you are likely to have 1-2 important games during that period.
Of course its dumb luck, but when a player is out for frequently long periods you stack the odds against you, dont you?
12/13 - Started 33 of 38 = 87%
13/14 - 24 of 38 = 63%
14/15 - 30 = 79%
15/16 - 21 = 55%
16/17 - 17 = 45%
17/18 - 20 = 53%
18/19 - 21 = 55%
So my memory does serve me well enough. I counted starts because sub appearances could be anything, a few seconds and no more. A start is when you are prime to play.
metalgear
Luka Modric
How many shirts do you think Bale would sell if he signed for us?
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It could also mean sitting on the bench because Ronaldo is fit or the manager doesn't like you. Not starting is no guide to the fitness of a player.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
He played alongside Ronaldo frequently. He is one of the worlds most expensive players. People in this very thread describe him as world class.
What makes more sense? He doesnt play because he cant, or because a manager doesnt fancy one of the best players around in his team?
Well the latter is true at the moment for some reason ZZ doesn't want him.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
And thats true for the last 7 years?
12/13 - Started 33 of 38 = 87% - Mourinho
13/14 - 24 of 38 = 63% - Ancelotti
14/15 - 30 = 79% - Ancelotti
15/16 - 21 = 55% - Ancelotti / Benitez
16/17 - 17 = 45% - ZZ also out for 4 months from November to February injured
17/18 - 20 = 53% - ZZ
18/19 - 21 = 55% - ZZ / Loptegui
So yes, notice the appearances dropped when ZZ was manager and Bale got injured, ZZ is back again and wants rid, I think it's clear his appearnaces were greatly influenced by who was manager.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Ok, injuries arent a concern at all, despite his career being plagued by them. Got it. Lets bust the bank on him...
Nope not advocated that, just said that sitting on the bench isn't a guide to fitness, said ZZ doesn't like him and used your stats to back that up. His game time dropped under ZZ and started to rise again under Loptegui.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Ancelotti and Benitez not fancy him either? Or is it ok to suggest his fitness was an issue then, but its just not now?
The original point was a basic one - he is reliably unfit. Not something I believe can really be argued against.
All this about managers not fancying him is majoring in the minors.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
It’s madrid
Managers there have to do everything to keep themselves in a job
Bake is world class regardless of who the manager is.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
He is in the Anderton category - his injuries are not actually as bad as the perception of his injuries.
However, you shouldn't rely on him being fit.
He's is definitely someone you want in a strong squad, just don't build a team around him.
Kane has become much the same - I think we know Kane will miss 4-6 weeks a season now with an injury, so we have developed our squad to not rely solely on him.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Not that Id argue with these statements - the problems arise when you add the context of the £££ involved in it all, and the potential disruption to the squad/team.
Ade's folks are ok really
Ramon Vega
I'd love to see a Bale return, but the question I haven't seen answered yet is where people think he'll play?? For that kind of money / wage / stature, he's not going to be on the bench. So does that push Son back to a sub role (seems harsh)? Moura even further down the pecking order?
I guess at least he offers us a back up striker role!
I guess at least he offers us a back up striker role!
Replacement for Rose. I don't think he'll ever make it further forward.