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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 85 73.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 30 26.1%
  • Total voters
    115
Seeing Udogie with his back to goal alongside Solanke laying it off does not inspire confidence.

What annoys me is that he has shown he can adapt but it seems it's only when he's forced to. The next game he'll just go back to what he has deemed is 'the only way'.

He manages like it's a computer game and what the opposition do or are going to do doesn't matter. You can only do that if you have the best team and we don't. Pep can't even do it now his players aren't the best in the league.
 
Another coach might improve our final position by several places but without elite players you won't usually get an elite team.
So stay with Ange, accept it will be a lousy season, hope we pick up sometime in the New Year, and then spend on proven players in the summer.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Haha same old nonsense. Missing players away at a side on form…what do people expect?

Fans - it seems - are unable to look beyond results. Unable to look at the way we play and the clear plan.
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I think you have that upside down tbh, fans are looking at and complaining about performances more than results
 
glasgowspur said:
But we should not be measuring ourselves against these clubs.
We are not in that group, we aspire to be, but that is not going to happen quickly because there are others who are also trying to get there.
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I think this bit is very, very important.

Throughout our history, we've never been an elite club in England. We've won the league twice in almost 150 years. If people's expectations are that we challenge the top clubs then you do need massive change in the dugout and the boardroom IMO. If you expect that we'll be what we've always been, Ange deserves more time.

10th or worse isn't really acceptable if that's where we finish unless he wins a cup. He is underachieving a bit at the moment. But, for me, not to the level where he should be sacked.
 
Baleforce said:
What plan did you see last night?

I hate the way we play, even when we win the opposition have multiple chances.
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Possession based attacking football. Like this is some kid of revelation?

I like the way we aspire to move the ball quickly with one touch quick passing. And see us as being far closer to the top teams now, than we have been, albeit we have issues with rotation and keeping the quality up. More to do.
 
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In. More that I think we need to trust the process now we’ve committed to it than anything else.

But I’m increasingly fed up with these performances against ‘lesser’ teams. GHod, if I was playing against these lot on a Saturday it would be so easy. I’d be in their ears giving it the ol’ ‘They don’t want it lads. Don’t worry they’ll fold like a pack of cards!’

Maybe a touch unfair, but I think it’s as much attitudinal as it is about how Ange sets them up. Where there attitude stems from - innate, based on lack of faith in Ange and his tactics, misplaced superiority - is interesting to me.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Funny as there is a clear correlation between losses and this kind of thread.
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The correlation is as soon as anything negative happens it’s because:
He is fat Aussie clown shoe
He has never managed at this level
Daniel levy is an evil dwarf
ENIC out
Our manager is a fraud
The club is poison
The mentality is weak
We lack leaders
Ange can’t look at a camera
We pay the highest ticket fees in the galaxy so we should have better
We can only play one way

I’m sure there are a million other ones to add

What I do know is if we were to sack Ange one of the first things the new manager would be saying is we are rebuilding and it takes time
But as long as it’s a new guy the perception is better.
It’s all a bit odd to me but I’m sure if that happened with the said currently we would be back in the same position in 18 months time
 
DaveT316 said:
In. More that I think we need to trust the process now we’ve committed to it than anything else.

But I’m increasingly fed up with these performances against ‘lesser’ teams. GHod, if I was playing against these lot on a Saturday it would be so easy. I’d be in their ears giving it the ol’ ‘They don’t want it lads. Don’t worry they’ll fold like a pack of cards!’

Maybe a touch unfair, but I think it’s as much attitudinal as it is about how Ange sets them up. Where there attitude stems from - innate, based on lack of faith in Ange and his tactics, misplaced superiority - is interesting to me.
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Bournemouth are a very good side
Well coached and very fit
They may not have amazing individuals but they know their job
Just like Fulham
Both sides who can and do beat teams that people think are better than them
 
In for now, but there has to be some evidence of improvement by the end of the season. I'm not even bothered about league position, I just want to see progress in the style of play and the players looking comfortable in it. I'd happily write off this season if it saw Ange use the young players, in their proper positions, let them develop and get really used to the system. But I doubt any of that is going to happen and Ange will be off at the end of the season at the latest.
 
Thinking about it, it seems to me that he has the balance of risk v reward wrong.

Udogie pushes up and tucks in, then can't get back
We push high, then get done on the turnover
Wingers stay high, we concede at the far post etc

That's why I'm more in and adapt. But that may just be the romantic in me
 
monkeybarry said:
Decide after Xmas period - the lge is taking shape now. Two different results and the story is different.
Come the start of Jan we could be 4th or 15th + neither would be a surprise.
It's a very very tight league this season.

My concern now is the same as when he was appointed - will his tactics work at the very top level, where chances are few and far between.

What worries me is that Ange seems reluctant to adapt to find a way in games - everyone else does, from the top to the bottom.
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My biggest gripe with him. All well and good having principles and wanting to stick to them, but sometimes you have to adapt, and he seems very very reluctant to do so
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Bournemouth are a very good side
Well coached and very fit
They may not have amazing individuals but they know their job
Just like Fulham
Both sides who can and do beat teams that people think are better than them
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Yes of course. They’re decent, well oiled teams that will punish you if you drop so much as 5% in performance levels.

Another question - Iraola has been there as long as Ange. Why are Bournemouth performing more consistently than us?
 
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