parklane1
Vivian Woodward
Does not compute for some though.
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Does not compute for some though.
Lemonade Money
Luka Modric
BrainOfMerson
Bishop
Steffen Iversen
You could say that I suppose, the angle i look at it from is that Dortmund weren't a top side when he joined and he turned them into dominant 2x champions and CL Finalists but yes the Bundesliga was available to be won by a good side rather than it being an automatic win by Bayern. He did what Poch got close to doing but without the dominant side part and actually winning the league.
I guess my point then is that the Bundesliga was more open for a team doing that than the PL was for a club outside of the established/state backed clubs.
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
They weren't a top team, but they were a big club, eclipsed only by bayern.
It's not quite the same but similar to utd and Liverpool back in the day.
Bishop
Steffen Iversen
I'd say Mönchengladbach or Bremen were more Liverpool but that's a matter of opinion and probably splitting hairs.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
it's all relative though. What did other teams do? What kind of wages are they paying? As far as I can make out we're still a distant 6th on wage expenditure, and that's the biggest thing to dictate the quality of player we can attract. It's easy to have a higher net spend figure when we went 18 months not signing anyone, with the team in desperate need of being refreshed. That's just cyclical. And regardless, to go 18 months with nobody and then sign 3 players + a youth player, it does not suggest we were pushing on to challenge for the title.
We are hiring a manager that is known for his ability to do well on a budget. I can't believe it can be legitimately argued that we have backed the managers to the extent I am wanting to see. My whole point is that we do not do what it takes to win the league. Not that we haven't ever signed anyone. If you want to argue that ENIC backed our managers well enough to maintain our top 6 position, I'd agree with you. I just want more!
They have, 20 years of data shows they provide any manager with enough resources to be in/about top 6.
The issue is City is going to spend 500M in 6 months starting with a better squad/manager than most in the league. Pool is going to spend 150M on single player to add to the side that just won the PL on a stroll. Arsenal will spend probably equal to us on a side that is 2nd.
The level of investment required to both catchup and do better is beyond what ENIC has ever provided Spurs/Levy. That means outside of a Leicester year (or last year, where there was a window), we won't really be challenging without a very favorable change in owners. Doesn't mean our owners are villains or brick, it's what I said, rigged game.
In that context, Frank makes a lot of sense, safe hands, keep investing, get the squad back into top 6 expectation, and then the club is positioned for that push on (even if it's with other owners).
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Bedfordspurs
Graham Roberts
The wages metric now gets skewed by Chelsea having to pay for 74 pros and United paying everyone £250k to join them
Wages are not what people make it out to be
- You have to look at all, Total Spend, Net Spend & Wages to determine what any club is really doing
- You have to acknowledge everyone is trying to reduce wage bills, Real Madrid is at 44%, is anyone calling them out on it?
- Spurs lower wages bill is heavily driven by the percentage of younger players (Bergvall, Gray, Udogie, Sarr, Wilson, Dragusin, Kinsky, etc. will and should not be on huge wages)
- Players who would break our wage bill (somewhere greater than 200K-250K/week), likely won't come to Spurs anyway (those are elite player numbers unless you are United)
I'm really struggling to see what player (in the post stadium revenue era), that would have come to Spurs, that was worth more than 250K/week that chose a "lesser" club just for the wages?
Bedfordspurs
Graham Roberts
I was genuinely be slighting tongue in cheek
Whenever our fans complain we don’t pay enough I always say who deserves more…
Then the angle is if we paid more we would get better players
United would be an example of Hyatt being untrue
What we need, as always, is to spend the money wisely on everything we have too
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I completely agree with all of this. I don't think ENIC are terrible owners or villains, I just think their time is up. In the same way that managers are right for a moment in time, or executives in business are, I think they were too. Built the infrastructure, did a phenomenal job with it. Made it so we didn't have to leave our home.
I agree that Frank is the perfect appointment for ENIC. I'm just bored and tired of the Doom Loop now. The only reason we keep going back into it is because they haven't found a buyer to make it worth their while.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I just think simply put, the moment we change our wage structure is the moment those elite players choose us.
Again, it's not that I don't understand all of the rationale from the perspective's of ENIC's strategy. I totally get it. I'm just arguing that I think it's reached the point where fans and ENIC are now a bit misaligned. We should want to keep pushing on, and want more for our club. They 'want' more, but at the limit of what they are willing to invest that would eat into the profit they would make on the sale of the club. When getting the stadium built and having a strategy to be best of the rest and establish us in the top 6 represented us 'pushing on', I was all for it. Now I think pushing on to the extent that would be good for us as fans won't be possible with them. Because as you say, other clubs are always going to do more. And we're left trying to squeeze over performance from a more limited budget.
That set of potential buyers is very small
For what it's worth, there was a period where I thought we were impossible to sell, it was way easier to buy a Saudi Sportswashing Machine/Villa/Everton for <400M and put money in the squad vs. paying on a 3.5B valuation.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine's struggles to covert their cash on hand (320B) into the club, the precedent Chelsea has set (with issues around facilities) has potentially made us more attractive again.
That said, this feels like one of those summers, Stadium is done, all Infrastructure spend is done, the non-football revenue side of business hugely established, in CL, just won a significant trophy, no significant deadwood in squad, if we can't attract a buyer/investor now, when?
Mikey10
Chris Perry
Agree absolutely on ENIC - but I am excited about Frank.
nattenskonge
Drama queen
Why? I cant see it… what has Frank done that excite you?
For me he has shown that he can take a team in the PL to way above it's resources - good for us because we have several richer teams we need to overcome to be successful in the league. He has good/great record v the best teams in the division - beating the best teams will be important if we want to win cup competitions as you will eventually face up against them.
He can also improve players and works well with youth. Tactically flexible. Plays direct.
Really like the idea.
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