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All or Nothing - spoilers

90291Spur said:
It's really rather dull. And tedious.

OPEN:
Jose spouts some gonad*s about philosophy or where would be without injuries

MAIN TITLE:
Thank Hoddle for the 'skip' button

THEN:
Exterior training ground
Players eat
Players chat
Players run about a bit
Tom Hardy bleats on about league position or Sissoko's knee
Thick, muscular, oiled up legs get rubbed by strong male hands
Jose scribbles on a bit of paper with a football pitch on it
Players eat and have a kick about
Levy has a chat with Jose
More Tom Hardy Welsh chat about league position
We learn about some player and how thick they liked their ham sliced
Pre-match team talk about brotherhood and an inspirational team talk - let's fackin win, boys.
Disjointed game footage
Tom Hardy reads the phone book
Half time team talk - don't be disappointed when you make bad pass, apart from all the mistakes we play good
End of game and someone throws a tiny water bottle or shakes a hamper
Exterior training ground
Players eat
Players chat
Levy looks at his phone
Jose tells us something that barely keeps us awake.


And why the fcuk are they eating Haribo? No wonder Debbie Alli plays like brick. He eats fackin Haribo!
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All this. brick telly, although shows that from a brand management perspective they've learned a lot from Poch's treatise on lemons.
 
StephenH said:
The 'special one' is coming over as just 'another one'.
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I think he comes across really well. I think he's got a great attitude and way with people. It's some of the subtle stuff like knowing Kane had two kids at the first training session and the way he is always emphasising the positive and not to dwell on brick that has happened. He's also a strong character and doesn't shirk conflict. We don't see the tactical stuff really but by all accounts he's strong in that area.

He's a football manager, not a magician. There is no tricks to what he does and what he's done. Personally, I've been impressed with him even though it's clearly a PR exercise. He just doesn't have the tools (available at least) to do what he wants to do.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I think he comes across really well. I think he's got a great attitude and way with people. It's some of the subtle stuff like knowing Kane had two kids at the first training session and the way he is always emphasising the positive and not to dwell on brick that has happened. He's also a strong character and doesn't shirk conflict. We don't see the tactical stuff really but by all accounts he's strong in that area.

He's a football manager, not a magician. There is no tricks to what he does and what he's done. Personally, I've been impressed with him even though it's clearly a PR exercise. He just doesn't have the tools (available at least) to do what he wants to do.
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I don't think you can judge on a PR puff piece. There is enough evidence of Jose not being a nice guy. Eye gouges, mind 'games', how he has hung players out to dry in public (Luke Shaw). He is a super smart guy who knows that he has to re-build HIS brand. And having a dead dog and talking about brothers and family helps that.
 
90291Spur said:
I don't think you can judge on a PR puff piece. There is enough evidence of Jose not being a nice guy. Eye gouges, mind 'games', how he has hung players out to dry in public (Luke Shaw). He is a super smart guy who knows that he has to re-build HIS brand. And having a dead dog and talking about brothers and family helps that.
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Very good point and I certainly don't believe that he's a nice guy.

It's a cliche but you know you've made it in management when you can fake sincerity. I think Jose can fake sincerity better than most. Problem is, eventually you do get found out if you are a nasty bastard and that could be why Jose only ever has 2-3 year cycles even when he's at his most successful. Everything he does is geared towards winning so when it doesn't happen and it becomes apparent it isn't going to happen again, you get to see nasty Jose.
 
I just waded through to the end of Ep9.

It was a good reminder for me of what happened, the specific games, injuries, controversies, moments.

Interesting that Dier smooshed Son's shin in training, and then in the next game Lloris called out Son for not tracking back which was harsh because Moura's ball was terrible and there was no way Son could have got back (without a car). But that angst and arguing did provide the right mental fortitude to go back out and fight and fight and fight.

Seems like that is the primary thing we need, fights. To try harder, guts or glory, fight to the death, to dare is to do, not be so passive, not allow ourselves to go through the motions and "try" but REALLY TRY TO THE MAX.

It is clear to me that Kane and Son are elite finishers, and Lo Celso is an elite midfielder with SOME of the technical ability of Modric. We also have quite a few journeymen.
 
Oh yeah, after the final game against Palace, Kane had a very short trim back and sides, then in the next moment at the BBQ to say goodbye to Jan and Michel, his hair was super long. TV eh?
 
I got furious towards the end because Mourinho presented himself as the first manager these players have ever had who got them to fight and be aggressive. What utter gonads!!!! Poch got us right up there in the tough stakes and we had a couple of seasons where we were raging, playing beautiful football AND winning games. I'll stop now...needless to say, I am all in on the Bale stuff because I want to believe it and I want him back, if only to make me smile and to allow me to see Bale Kane Son...
 
thfcsteff said:
I got furious towards the end because Mourinho presented himself as the first manager these players have ever had who got them to fight and be aggressive. What utter gonad*s!!!! Poch got us right up there in the tough stakes and we had a couple of seasons where we were raging, playing beautiful football AND winning games. I'll stop now...needless to say, I am all in on the Bale stuff because I want to believe it and I want him back, if only to make me smile and to allow me to see Bale Kane Son...
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Agreed. To be honest, I find myself feeling more than a little grim satisfaction when Mourinho chews these players out, or claims credit for things they had been doing long before he got here. All of you got Poch sacked - hope you enjoy this bloke's antics in place of the house Poch built.

Same thing with the players feebly defending their display against Everton - it might have been Mourinho's fault, it might not, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for these blokes because I know that this exact same lethargy got Poch sacked, and because they had it good with Poch and didn't know it.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Agreed. To be honest, I find myself feeling more than a little grim satisfaction when Mourinho chews these players out, or claims credit for things they had been doing long before he got here. All of you got Poch sacked - hope you enjoy this bloke's antics in place of the house Poch built.

Same thing with the players feebly defending their display against Everton - it might have been Mourinho's fault, it might not, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for these blokes because I know that this exact same lethargy got Poch sacked, and because they had it good with Poch and didn't know it.
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This
The players seem to get a free ride in so many situations
 
90291Spur said:
It's really rather dull. And tedious.

OPEN:
Jose spouts some gonad*s about philosophy or where would be without injuries

MAIN TITLE:
Thank Hoddle for the 'skip' button

THEN:
Exterior training ground
Players eat
Players chat
Players run about a bit
Tom Hardy bleats on about league position or Sissoko's knee
Thick, muscular, oiled up legs get rubbed by strong male hands
Jose scribbles on a bit of paper with a football pitch on it
Players eat and have a kick about
Levy has a chat with Jose
More Tom Hardy Welsh chat about league position
We learn about some player and how thick they liked their ham sliced
Pre-match team talk about brotherhood and an inspirational team talk - let's fackin win, boys.
Disjointed game footage
Tom Hardy reads the phone book
Half time team talk - don't be disappointed when you make bad pass, apart from all the mistakes we play good
End of game and someone throws a tiny water bottle or shakes a hamper
Exterior training ground
Players eat
Players chat
Levy looks at his phone
Jose tells us something that barely keeps us awake.


And why the fcuk are they eating Haribo? No wonder Debbie Alli plays like brick. He eats fackin Haribo!
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Spoiler Alert,!:D
 
Bedfordspurs said:
This
The players seem to get a free ride in so many situations
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They are also used by the current manager as spacegoats. He has form for doing this.
Dele is today's version. Jose is just repeating what he did with Shaw.
As it's a TV show I take it all with a pinch of salt. But Jose is a little too Harry Redknapp at times, he loves a microphone and a camera.
What he's doing to Dele is in my eyes is cheap and degrading to the club. If Jose thinks he's not pulling his weight fine but don't use the Dail Mail to tell him, your his fecking manager, not a reality TV host.
 
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Bullet said:
And then fair f*cks to Mou Mou and Joao, they call out the midfield for walking rather than sprinting back to help, as Cheatski had a shot, then another shot, then another... if they had sprinted, they would have stopped the danger. But the walk back and hope someone else will fix it. I guess this is the type of moment when we decided to buy Hojbjerg. For his commitment.

They say that the team should take the same pleasure from stopping a goal, as scoring a goal, which I also believe strongly in. It is the same effect.
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Bedfordspurs said:
But the players still dont appear to get it IMO
It’s gonna take a longer time to get the players to understand their all acceptable for their own jobs and supporting others
The big change In the last two years has been the actual lack of effort in the pitch. Players seem happy to abscond responsibility
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nayenezgani said:
I don't think the players listen. Or at least they don't process what he's actually saying.

They sit there while Jose drones on, eyes glazed over like primary school kids.

The message doesn't get through, the entire squad look thoroughly disengaged in my opinion.
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The closing, the pressing, the chasing is not born out by being TOLD to do it.

The motivation is born out of YOU wanting to do it, and that usually means doing it for the collective and the manager.

And this will all be a by product of the culture the manager creates and a big part of that can be his personality. He gives you something to get behind to believe in. Poch, Klopp, Rodgers, Nuno all follow this path. Jose and Pep not so much.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
The closing, the pressing, the chasing is not born out being TOLD to do it.

The motivation is born out of YOU wanting to do it, and that usually means doing it for the collective and the manager.

And this will all be a by product of the culture the manager creates and a big part of that can be his personality. He gives you something to get behind to believe in. Poch, Klopp, Rodgers, Nuno all follow this path. Jose and Pep not so much.
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THIS!
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It takes time to create that though ethos
Poch didn’t get us pressing in a day
We saw the peak of that after 18 months
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As much as I agree it takes time. This group look totally bored by Mourinho, they all talk the talk about Jose on TV but they are not buying in. He is a poor teacher as his ego gets in the way. I can see why Poch didn't like the idea of the TV show.
 
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