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Colin Calderwood
Nigey hit the tickle my balls with a feather here:
Harry Kane should have started vs Saudi Sportswashing Machine the game would have been over at half time in our favour, Kane is not an out and out striker, he drops deep and likes to link the play! so it doesnt matter if me and pirate call it 4-4-2 or others call it 4-2-3-1 WHAT matters is that his inclusion is the beneficial for our team because he is playing with confidence and scoring goals! not playing after a hat-trick!!!!! LOOK AT YOURSELF POCH FFS!
A 4231 is the same as 442 if Kane is playing the role behind the striker... these are the same formations, no?
--------Capoue----Mason---------
Lamela--------Kane--------Eriksen
-----------Striker
Lamela--Capoue--Mason--Eriksen
-----------------Kane
-----------Striker
Harry Kane should have started vs Saudi Sportswashing Machine the game would have been over at half time in our favour, Kane is not an out and out striker, he drops deep and likes to link the play! so it doesnt matter if me and pirate call it 4-4-2 or others call it 4-2-3-1 WHAT matters is that his inclusion is the beneficial for our team because he is playing with confidence and scoring goals! not playing after a hat-trick!!!!! LOOK AT YOURSELF POCH FFS!
A 4231 is the same as 442 if Kane is playing the role behind the striker... these are the same formations, no?
--------Capoue----Mason---------
Lamela--------Kane--------Eriksen
-----------Striker
Lamela--Capoue--Mason--Eriksen
-----------------Kane
-----------Striker
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indianspur
Guest
The most important aspect about Kane is that he natuarrly gets into good goalscoring positions and is a threat......last nights goal was an example of his radar in the box. He has always been a striker throughout the ranks, scored a load, and now yes he is playing in the 3 in behind but in effect if he plays along with either Ade or Soldado we are more of a threat imo
Yeah that definitley plays a part - would probably have to sacrifice Chadli as what Kane has over Eriksen in terms of goals he loses out on creativity - so i think putting Eriksen left would make up for that. But then ultimately you'd be swapping Kanes goal threat for Chadli's - and we could possibly end up back at square one unless he keeps up his cup goal ratio
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
I cannot see how Kane is miles behind Eriksen in the creativity department, I did not see the Brighton game so cant really comment on Kane's performance in that one but against Asteris syphillis or whoever they were I thought Kane was uber creative.
For me at the moment I see our most creative players in our squad as Soldado, Kane & Eriksen.....feel free to disagree but thats how I see it, I would feel it would be more beneficial to us to get them all central and get a bit of pace to the side of them....most creative is Eriksen I would have him playing as CM and I would like to see Kane & Soldado getting a run of games and I feel they can both interchange the no9, no10 positions:
no8 Eiksen-----------Ball winner/Passer
Pace-----------------10,Kane------------------------Inverted
-------9,Soldado--------
In my opinion Poch is close to finding the right formula for us...I strongly believe that means dropping Ade....just my opinion. Interestingly enough when we were two-one down to Saudi Sportswashing Machine he finally moved Eriksen deeper to cm....Kane was on but Ade was still there. Eriksen needs to play cm and the sooner Poch and others realise thats the way we should go then the better we will be.
Probably but remember CM is a very mature role with a lot of defensive and tactical responsibility. Eriksen is the same age as Modric when we first signed him. Just as Modders was used as an AM or wide man until he'd got to grips properly with the necessities of being a BPL midfielder so I see Eriksen being on a similar journey
milo
Jack L. Jones
They would be a good four to rotate for the tougher games, with the one missing out getting a run out in the cups. They all have their strengths and bring something different to the party but Kane's form is too good to ignore at the moment.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
A striker is a striker and an AM is an AM. A truism, yes but apparently not recognised as such by some.
As others have said, Kane is NOT an AM. He is a striker. His goal instincts, abilities and the areas he takes up define him as such. For all those thinking he is a player that can play in the centre of three AMs are just ignoring the facts of how he plays. It is not where you line up at kick off that is important, the key is the role one plays.
In my view, the role of a central AM is quite different from that of a support, withdrawn or second striker (or whatever else one wishes to call it). Their movement is different, their priorities in creativity, defending and goal scoring are also quite distinct.
Make no mistake, Kane is the former, not the latter.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Are you talking about Emre Can?
No idea how that even happend :lol:
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
milo
Jack L. Jones
I'm more interested in what someone brings to the team rather than notions about what type of player they are. Kane frequently played as an inside forward for the development squad and Chadli has played as a striker. Plenty of people in the game are meant to think that Lamela will end up as a #10. Positions are a lot more fluid in the modern game and I do not really understand the desire to put players into boxes.
Right now it is very difficult to argue against Kane getting a chance in the PL squad but I think that he can most successfully be introduced without changing formation. He has different qualities to Eriksen at #10 for sure but switching them does not automatically make it 4-4-2.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
I agree with your last paragraph. We have all been impressed with the way Harry has played recently and I think there would be virtually universal support for him deserving his chance.
However, why would you ask/expect him to play in a different way and in a different role to the one where he has been so impressive as a support striker recently? Isn't that merely being a slave to 4231 for the sake of it?
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
I think you have missed the point again. Harry is a striker and has been playing as such. Not a sole striker but a support striker. Why are you trying to change him and ask him to adapt to fit into a three when he isn't an AM?
He has played as a withdrawn forward and sometimes as a wide forward. Don't get too hung up on these pre-defined roles. A player's position in a lineup doesn't determine what he does on the pitch. What we need are players in the box to finish chances. That doesn't automatically improve by having two designated strikers. You also need players involved in the buildup. Fluidity is the key.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I would ask him to play the same role he has played in his last two outings. I don't really care what you want to call it. Positionally, he would be central in the three behind the striker but we would see them swapping positions throughout the game.