Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Mikey10]

Not sure what your point is here. Your addressing a post to me

Oh what is the fudging point...you do you...I'm going elsewhere...just glad you have everything sussed, at least I know who to go to for conclusive and indisputable answers on the big stuff...

I wouldn’t be asking him advice on grammar though.

 

[Lost Mango]

Yes. But not any would throw away their passports.

genuine ignorance here - how many of the improper migrants (they aren't actually illegal) have passports or identification cards? Most of them are smuggled across all borders aren't they? Why do you say they throw them in the sea/away? has this been recorded as happening?

When I was working in Namibia, Zambia and Botswana many people didn't have birth certificates, know their own age, didn't drive or anything and didn't use or have passports to move between those 3 countries (this was twenty odd years ago so perhaps it has changed?). Not convinced that chaotic countries further north have a fully functioning or meaningful passport process for people who might want to flee for some reason.

 

[robp135]

Because publicly stating that it may be man made or originated in China would have achieved what exactly? Perhaps being a grown up means you have to play politically safe and base it on the actual provable evidence at the time, rather than gut feeling. Perhaps because he could predict what trump and his brickshow of an administration would have done if he didn't play a straight hand in public and how many more may have died rather than just the 1 million that Trump and Biden managed to bungle their way to.

His private thoughts are his private thoughts and not what is best practice in reality, and in fact all policy decisions were made by the administration rather than him.

I can totally understand taking the 5th to prevent that conflict between his personal thoughts and his professional conduct being decontextualised by Paul, Trump, the Brain Worm or Dr Oz, be it for a soundbite gotcha, a further criminal proceeding or just as political BS.

That’s not really how it works. He was in public office and he took an oath when he took that position. His diary was legally subpoenaed. He’s not legally able to plead the 5th as well due to his pardon for what it’s worth. And his reasoning was obviously due to that fact his legal team did not have enough time to review the diary and advise him.

If Covid originated from the Wuhan lab it was likely due to gain of function research which the governing body ran by Fauci supported. The US government provided funding to that lab, all be it a modest amount. But the total estimates of funding to labs where GOF was happening is significant.

Does that make him solely responsible for Covid? No. And if you need an anti Trump narrative here funding of GOF was paused under Obama and then reinstated under Trump. Fauci, as NIAID Director, was involved in that reinstatement though.

 

[Rorschach]

It was me and I have already stuck my hand up on that. I still think the sound bites are important as it what plays to the audience and in this post-news world that is probably more important than the 'truth'. But it was a quick comment in response to Rob's initial posy about pleading the 5th and reflective of what Fauci's team had been saying about Paul wanting a 'gotcha' from him.

Thinking more on it, this fits in with this Administration's modus operandi of debunking anything they don't like and this is much more about a further attack on science generally, further defunding of scientific institutions or having more Republican/MAGA control over the funding streams and about having a single name spacegoat to hang the blame on, especially someone who is obviously Deep State as he has worked in government for 40+ years.

What you are forgetting about is that Covid was a hoax. But also a terrible pandemic caused by Fauci. And that this hoax/not hoax prompted the creation of a demon's blood MNRA vaccine, which probably causes autism according to what's-his-face- worm-brain-guy. But it most certainly didn't save millions of lives, which were strangely saved, and although Trump took credit for Operation Warp Speed and gave Fauci a presidential commendation, he didn't believe that the vaccine for which he gave out awards was legit, but which he also took himself. And also bleach and ivermectin would have worked perfectly well on the not-actually-real pandemic. Everything is fine.

 

[robp135]

genuine ignorance here - how many of the improper migrants (they aren't actually illegal) have passports or identification cards? Most of them are smuggled across all borders aren't they? Why do you say they throw them in the sea/away? has this been recorded as happening?

When I was working in Namibia, Zambia and Botswana many people didn't have birth certificates, know their own age, didn't drive or anything and didn't use or have passports to move between those 3 countries (this was twenty odd years ago so perhaps it has changed?). Not convinced that chaotic countries further north have a fully functioning or meaningful passport process for people who might want to flee for some reason.

The traffickers apparently advise them to do so.

It’s impossible to know the percentages. I also question how the 40% reduction and 25% bring female and children figures are put together.

I don’t think anybody should be entering the country without us knowing who they are.

 

[robp135]

What you are forgetting about is that Covid was a hoax. But also a terrible pandemic caused by Fauci. And that this hoax/not hoax prompted the creation of a demon's blood MNRA vaccine, which probably causes autism according to what's-his-face- worm-brain-guy. But it most certainly didn't save millions of lives, which were strangely saved, and although Trump took credit for Operation Warp Speed and gave Fauci a presidential commendation, he didn't believe that the vaccine for which he gave out awards was legit, but which he also took himself. And also bleach and ivermectin would have worked perfectly well on the not-actually-real pandemic. Everything is fine.

Let’s be clear. Nobody has said this in recent days on this thread.

 

[Lost Mango]

The traffickers apparently advise them to do so.

It’s impossible to know the percentages. I also question how the 40% reduction and 25% bring female and children figures are put together.

I don’t think anybody should be entering the country without us knowing who they are.

Thanks.

 

[thfcsteff]

That’s not really how it works. He was in public office and he took an oath when he took that position. His diary was legally subpoenaed. He’s not legally able to plead the 5th as well due to his pardon for what it’s worth. And his reasoning was obviously due to that fact his legal team did not have enough time to review the diary and advise him.

If Covid originated from the Wuhan lab it was likely due to gain of function research which the governing body ran by Fauci supported. The US government provided funding to that lab, all be it a modest amount. But the total estimates of funding to labs where GOF was happening is significant.

Does that make him solely responsible for Covid? No. And if you need an anti Trump narrative here funding of GOF was paused under Obama and then reinstated under Trump. Fauci, as NIAID Director, was involved in that reinstatement though.

I think the whole debate around 'gain of function' is a massive discussion. The fors, againsts, and reality of why such tests even exist as a concept (let alone the dicey reality they are) is enormous. I would suggest that under this specific President, any 'officer of government' who does not go along with POTUS wishes finds themselves on a hiding to nothing/unemployment. I suppose you could argue that Fauci should've stepped down if he did not believe in said-funding/programs? I don't know if he took the view that such testing was tragically necessary to try and stay ahead of whatever the hell freelancers, etc had created over the decades. I think what is clear is that the scope of those involved is broad, that there are many. FWIW there are statements made in 2021 that the type of virus being researched in Wuhan was beyond manipulation of the sort which ended up in covid. Obviously (!!!!!) I have no clue whatsoever if this is true or not.

Overall, I think there will always be questions which we will never get answered.

 

[Lost Mango]

That’s not really how it works. He was in public office and he took an oath when he took that position. His diary was legally subpoenaed. He’s not legally able to plead the 5th as well due to his pardon for what it’s worth. And his reasoning was obviously due to that fact his legal team did not have enough time to review the diary and advise him.

If Covid originated from the Wuhan lab it was likely due to gain of function research which the governing body ran by Fauci supported. The US government provided funding to that lab, all be it a modest amount. But the total estimates of funding to labs where GOF was happening is significant.

Does that make him solely responsible for Covid? No. And if you need an anti Trump narrative here funding of GOF was paused under Obama and then reinstated under Trump. Fauci, as NIAID Director, was involved in that reinstatement though.

What was the oath?