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Gutter Boy said:
I pity the 'right type of supporter' who wants to be cooped up with just moaning old gammons and their coked up sons. I cant imagine their fear of the female, the colourful and the vibrant. It must be what the 1950s were like
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There's plenty of non-league clubs that still do things the old way. You can often have a pint after the match with the players too.

None of those pesky Korean supporters either
 
Raziel said:
After a max number of sold on games, you should simply not get loyalty points.

There are time/scenarios where someone may take a job or have a personal change that means they may for a year or two not be able to attend as regularly and they want to retain the season ticket, fine, but the reward should not be the same.
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PL home games don't result in additional loyalty points as such, apart from the 30 points for renewing given at the start of the season, so in your suggestion the club would need to remove a portion of those 30 points, which would be controversial.
Maybe a better way would be to treat attendance at PL games in the same way as attendance at Cup games - instead of the bulk 30 points at the start of the season, you build up points if your ST is scanned at the gate, but if you sell it on the exchange, or pass it on via ticket share, then you don't get any. Again, I suspect that wouldn't be popular.
Shouldn't forget that tickets being listed on the exchange is often the only way a lot of Members can get tickets for games.
Of course, there is an assumption being made that all these missing ST holders are ones who would improve the atmosphere were they to attend, which I doubt would always be the case.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
PL home games don't result in additional loyalty points as such, apart from the 30 points for renewing given at the start of the season, so in your suggestion the club would need to remove a portion of those 30 points, which would be controversial.
Maybe a better way would be to treat attendance at PL games in the same way as attendance at Cup games - instead of the bulk 30 points at the start of the season, you build up points if your ST is scanned at the gate, but if you sell it on the exchange, or pass it on via ticket share, then you don't get any. Again, I suspect that wouldn't be popular.
Shouldn't forget that tickets being listed on the exchange is often the only way a lot of Members can get tickets for games.
Of course, there is an assumption being made that all these missing ST holders are ones who would improve the atmosphere were they to attend, which I doubt would always be the case.
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Oh they wouldn’t improve the atmosphere. They are the moaney fudgers who are so entitled
 
scaramanga said:
I wonder if any of these "right types" of supporter have stopped to consider the increase in revenue (and therefore chances of success) that the increased corporate sales and club shop spend from infrequent supporters has created at the new stadium.

Liking comfortable seats and good food (and no queues) doesn't make one any less of a supporter. And I have nothing but admiration for those who travel halfway across the world for a 90 min glimpse of the brick show we're currently serving up.
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How much do we spend on the matchday police attendance? We could save all of that if we don't let in the 'right types'.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
PL home games don't result in additional loyalty points as such, apart from the 30 points for renewing given at the start of the season, so in your suggestion the club would need to remove a portion of those 30 points, which would be controversial.
Maybe a better way would be to treat attendance at PL games in the same way as attendance at Cup games - instead of the bulk 30 points at the start of the season, you build up points if your ST is scanned at the gate, but if you sell it on the exchange, or pass it on via ticket share, then you don't get any. Again, I suspect that wouldn't be popular.
Shouldn't forget that tickets being listed on the exchange is often the only way a lot of Members can get tickets for games.
Of course, there is an assumption being made that all these missing ST holders are ones who would improve the atmosphere were they to attend, which I doubt would always be the case.
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I have a couple of season tickets for me and my lad. I might get over to 12-15 games a year, albeit I've struggled to motivate myself this season, and he can only go to 4 for reasons that I won't get into here. I love the idea of him having a ST because his mates don't have one for their teams and it means that he can attend some big games.

But I'd wholeheartedly agree with the proposal that if you don't scan your ticket at the gate or sell it on, you shouldn't get loyalty points. The people who go to the most games should have priority on tickets for big games IMO.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I have a couple of season tickets for me and my lad. I might get over to 12-15 games a year, albeit I've struggled to motivate myself this season, and he can only go to 4 for reasons that I won't get into here. I love the idea of him having a ST because his mates don't have one for their teams and it means that he can attend some big games.

But I'd wholeheartedly agree with the proposal that if you don't scan your ticket at the gate or sell it on, you shouldn't get loyalty points. The people who go to the most games should have priority on tickets for big games IMO.
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It's quite simple. Every seat in the ground has loyalty points attached to it for every game. The amount can fluctuate as need be. Whoever sits in that seat at that game gets the loyalty points.
If they are a ST or Member of course. It's not hard to administer as we all scan in at the turnstile.
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
I think their prices reflected the market and are the rates you pay
They were the best players at their clubs at the time we brought them (arguably)
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That doesn't mean they were good buys or that we should have bought them in the first place. Solanke excepted because he still has a chance of being good given the right circumstances.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I have a couple of season tickets for me and my lad. I might get over to 12-15 games a year, albeit I've struggled to motivate myself this season, and he can only go to 4 for reasons that I won't get into here. I love the idea of him having a ST because his mates don't have one for their teams and it means that he can attend some big games.

But I'd wholeheartedly agree with the proposal that if you don't scan your ticket at the gate or sell it on, you shouldn't get loyalty points. The people who go to the most games should have priority on tickets for big games IMO.
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I currently have 3 season tickets, all renewed for next season. I agree about the points per game attended, plus bonus points for renewal of ST.

2 of the STs are for my son (8 year old) and my wife. They’ve probably only been able to attend about 50% of the matches this season due to a late kick off times (as well as clashes with some other commitments) meaning too late for him to attend.

We’ve shared to friends and family via the ticket exchange and sold on ticket exchange too. Would it be bother me if I/they didn’t get points for matches we didn’t attend not at all.

Tbh I’ve been on the auto-cup scheme, and bought tickets to all the EL games, but only been able to attend 1 so far, and will be at the SF, due to running my sons U8s football team training sessions those evenings. As I’ve not attended those matches I’ve not received any points for those as I hadn’t scanned in.
 
Juicebox said:
I currently have 3 season tickets, all renewed for next season. I agree about the points per game attended, plus bonus points for renewal of ST.

2 of the STs are for my son (8 year old) and my wife. They’ve probably only been able to attend about 50% of the matches this season due to a late kick off times (as well as clashes with some other commitments) meaning too late for him to attend.

We’ve shared to friends and family via the ticket exchange and sold on ticket exchange too. Would it be bother me if I/they didn’t get points for matches we didn’t attend not at all.

Tbh I’ve been on the auto-cup scheme, and bought tickets to all the EL games, but only been able to attend 1 so far, and will be at the SF, due to running my sons U8s football team training sessions those evenings. As I’ve not attended those matches I’ve not received any points for those as I hadn’t scanned in.
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That’s the madness of it all
The guys near me who sell theirs send the screen grab
I’ve seen one guy about 4 times maybe this season
 
This debate is one of the reason I've lost my love of professional football, when I started going to football a proper supporter was someone who turned up when they could due to various circumstances, queue up for an unspecified time to pay at the gate and stand wherever there was a space, they weren't judged by the number of games they went to or what they spent with the club. Mostly male wearing "macs" and various headwear and kids with scarves and rosettes. I think the majority expected less than the present fan as it was a form of entertainment not the religion it is today.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
This debate is one of the reason I've lost my love of professional football, when I started going to football a proper supporter was someone who turned up when they could due to various circumstances, queue up for an unspecified time to pay at the gate and stand wherever there was a space, they weren't judged by the number of games they went to or what they spent with the club. Mostly male wearing "macs" and various headwear and kids with scarves and rosettes. I think the majority expected less than the present fan as it was a form of entertainment not the religion it is today.
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Now
You have people who “own” their seat and use it to suit them, in their heads at least
Your talking about an era where you queued your for tickets and got vouchers for cup games
 
Bedfordspurs said:
No big bug it explains why the price was high
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Sure, but thats when you take stock and question if the prices match the quality. I remember saying in the summer that Solanke was very expensive for a player who in reality had shown promise at earlier stages of his career but in reality had only had one good season. Johnson was just way overpriced for his ability level, laughably so tbh and if he were to be sold tomorrow I can't see anyone giving us our money back. Richy was also a bit rich but his price was a little more justified especially given his previous transfer fees.
 
Bishop said:
Sure, but thats when you take stock and question if the prices match the quality. I remember saying in the summer that Solanke was very expensive for a player who in reality had shown promise at earlier stages of his career but in reality had only had one good season. Johnson was just way overpriced for his ability level, laughably so tbh and if he were to be sold tomorrow I can't see anyone giving us our money back. Richy was also a bit rich but his price was a little more justified especially given his previous transfer fees.
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Johnson and solanke were hg which we needed. Unfortunately that comes at a price unless you produce your own. Prem clubs don't need to sell so will charge top dollar for their stars.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
So a Spurs fan who attends infrequently is the wrong type of supporter? Right oh. They should explain that in the questionnaire and publish it widely on their X, Insta, accounts etc. I am sure all our overseas fans who are going to the effort of making ENIC out banners and posting them on SM will agree. Or the many member fans who try to get tickets but are only successful occasionally.
Or is it just a tortuous way of wanting to say “Korean” fans but knowing they can’t?
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Course it is, but they won't say it publicly despite some of their members ranting on constantly about "tourists"

scaramanga said:
I wonder if any of these "right types" of supporter have stopped to consider the increase in revenue (and therefore chances of success) that the increased corporate sales and club shop spend from infrequent supporters has created at the new stadium.

Liking comfortable seats and good food (and no queues) doesn't make one any less of a supporter. And I have nothing but admiration for those who travel halfway across the world for a 90 min glimpse of the brick show we're currently serving up.
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Course not, and they fan economics really don't make sense because by their own "maths" there are 40,000 of the "right fans" as in ST holders. So maybe the issue starts there. Maybe the constant self loathing by the likes of ROTS and the likes are having a negative impact on thought process, maybe added to performance on the pitch. Why are ST holders moaning and not singing, why are they more interested in taking photos of fans than singing?

When things are rough people need someone to moan at and about.......
 
Lilbaz said:
Johnson and solanke were hg which we needed. Unfortunately that comes at a price unless you produce your own. Prem clubs don't need to sell so will charge top dollar for their stars.
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You're right we did need HG, just a shame we couldn't identify better in the case of Johnson (and there are numerous) or negotiate better with Solanke, but as I say Solanke is a little overpriced but theres still a chance with a different coach and better playing system that he can be succesful.
 
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