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Zaha

Yiddo said:
As for Moura, i have watched alot of him before he came to Spurs and believe it or not i watched him when he was at Sao Paulo and i know what he is capable of. Why spend £60m on a player when we haven't given our last transfer a chance?
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I do not see anyone doubting Moura's ability, instead it is about having strength in depth, we are in 4 competitions remember
 
billyiddo said:
If you think we can't find a better WF for 60m than 1 in 6 Zaha then im not sure a list of players i think are better than him would make any difference.
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I actually think you are wimping out here :D

Because any player I think off would be on a par or more expensive than Zaha.

Actually I would challenge any of you guys to do the same.
 
parklane1 said:
To be honest mate you do make some good points and i do agree with some of them, i have also said earlier in the thread that IF Zaha is the player Poch REALLY wants then fair enough because he knows what we need better then any fan.

The reason i mentioned Mahrez is that i believe he is a better player then Zaha and IF the figure ( 70 mill) is what he would cost then imo he is not worth it. I really thing we could better for less money but what i think is not really relevant compered to what Poch wants/thinks.

IF we get Zaha i will of course show him support in our shirt.
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I would not dispute your opinion that - at the moment - Mahrez is a better player, though I personally would put both at the roughly same level.

The thing however is what they will bring to our team. Mahrez is at his best breaking into space, which played to a tee in Leicester's game plan in which they defend deep and then attack on the counter. But if there one aspect we are good at is breaking on the counter and we already have players who do a "Mahrez"... Eriksen in particular and I believe (from his few games) that Moura could also develop into that type of player.

Where we struggle is against two banks of four and I have major doubts whether Mahrez would improve us in that way. Zaha, on the other hand, brings the ability to take on one or two players, disrupting the lines and providing spaces for the likes of Kane and Alli to attack; and this is why I am so keen on his signing. We have no one in our squad with that ability. I was hoping Edwards would make the grade and carry out that role, but this has been consigned to history.

I share the opinion of the Telegraph article I posted previous. A pacy dribbler is the last piece of the jigsaw in our squad. And at the moment, there is only one pacy dribbler who has the ability to be a starter in our team, is proven in the Premiership and who we can realistically get. He is called Wilf Zaha...
 
NaijaSpurs said:
I actually think you are wimping out here :D

Because any player I think off would be on a par or more expensive than Zaha.

Actually I would challenge any of you guys to do the same.
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Im just not going to pretend to have a deep knowledge of players abroad is all.

What i do know is that 60m would be one of the highest transfer fees paid in football and would get you top tier players from strong leagues in Europe (Arsenal paid 60m for PA from Dortmund who had been one of that leagues best attackers stretching back several seasons) Zahas record when all said and done isn't really that impressive - ask yourself if we were being linked to wide forward from a mid table club in Germany who has a similar output to Zaha - what would his price be? Id be surprised if it would be half of what we're talking here and much more likely a third/quarter
 
This is what Zaha would bring...

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Maltese Falcon said:
A pacy dribbler is the last piece of the jigsaw in our squad. And at the moment, there is only one pacy dribbler who has the ability to be a starter in our team, is proven in the Premiership and who we can realistically get. He is called Wilf Zaha...
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What he said
 
billyiddo said:
Im just not going to pretend to have a deep knowledge of players abroad is all.

What i do know is that 60m would be one of the highest transfer fees paid in football and would get you top tier players from strong leagues in Europe (Arsenal paid 60m for PA from Dortmund who had been one of that leagues best attackers stretching back several seasons) Zahas record when all said and done isn't really that impressive - ask yourself if we were being linked to wide forward from a mid table club in Germany who has a similar output to Zaha - what would his price be? Id be surprised if it would be half of what we're talking for Zaha
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By similar output I presume you mean if we wanted their best player whom without they would have got relegated, I think they would see us a top 4 club from the richest league in the world and would put an exorbitant price on their player because that is what I would do. How much I would charge would depend on how much the player has left on his contract. If like Zaha he has 4 years left on his contract then I would be an even tougher negotiator.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
By similar output I presume you mean if we wanted their best player whom without they would have got relegated, I think they would see us a top 4 club from the richest league in the world and would put an exorbitant price on their player because that is what I would do. How much I would charge would depend on how much the player has left on his contract. If like Zaha he has 4 years left on his contract then I would be an even tougher negotiator.
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They are some of the reasons why he is over priced from a buying clubs perspective and why im arguing we should be looking elsewhere...
 
billyiddo said:
What i do know is that 60m would be one of the highest transfer fees paid in football and would get you top tier players from strong leagues in Europe (Arsenal paid 60m for PA from Dortmund who had been one of that leagues best attackers stretching back several seasons)
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That is a poor example. The only reason the Goons were able to sign ‎Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang for £60m was because he had been suspended and dropped from the team on at least 2 occasions last season. There was a breakdown between him and the club and Dortmund's management wanted rid of him ASAP.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
That is a poor example. The only reason the Goons were able to sign ‎Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang for £60m was because he had been suspended and dropped from the team on at least 2 occasions last season. There was a breakdown between him and the club and Dortmund's management wanted rid of him ASAP.
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He's the third most expensive Bundesliga transfer - their leagues best players are in that ball park
 
billyiddo said:
They are some of the reasons why he is over priced from a buying clubs perspective and why im arguing we should be looking elsewhere...
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The thing is, in this current market I think it is not unreasonable. I would suggest that over the past 2 years prices have doubled due to inflation in football. I see £60m today no different from £30m we spent 2 years ago on Sissoko, and Zaha is a much more superior player.
 
If anything the Sissoko transfer shows that it's foolish to overpay on players because of a PL premium
 
Maltese Falcon said:
Precisely my argument. So if we would expect 60mill for Son if we sold him why should Palace not expect similar for Zaha, who has shown - at the very least - equal performance in the premiership. This is especially when Son leaving would have minimal impact on us whereas, if Zaha leaves, Palace are immediate relegation favourites...



Sorry mate, that is a yet more tosh... Sigurdsson was played out of position both by AVB and Everton. Had either team played to his strengths, he would have been a success, so much so that he is the only player Poch regrets selling.

To calculate a player's worth according to the team he plays in, and depreciate it simply because it is not a top 4 club, is snobbery of the highest level (sorry). It is frankly a ridiculous argument.

Watching Moura before he came to Spurs is completely and totally irrelevant; same thing was said of Soldado, who actually played in a more difficult league than the Sao Paolo one. It's what he does in the premiership that will be his yardstick, and the jury is still out from his (admittedly handful of) games in our colours. I am not saying he may not come good but TODAY there is no way you can say Moura is a better Premiership player than Zaha; if anything it is the opposite.
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One of these guys that shoots down your opinion because he doesn't agree with it. This is why i rarely get involved in debates on this forum. Tell me why it is tosh? he got games for Everton and for Us in his natural position and for one reason or another he didn't keep his place.

Does it really matter how well Zaha does at Palace? its a completely different ball game at a top club where you are not the queen bee. At the end of the day both Lucas and Zaha have not had a run in the Tottenham side so who is to know how well they will do? my argument is £60m for a risk or go with the guy we already have?
 
NaijaSpurs said:
I do not see anyone doubting Moura's ability, instead it is about having strength in depth, we are in 4 competitions remember
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But we have Lucas, Lamela, Son, Alli and Eriksen fighting it out for potentially 3 spots. Why would we want to spend £60m on someone who will throw their toys out of the pram if he doesn't get a run in the team?
 
NaijaSpurs said:
The point is they were disparate to get rid of him else he would have cost much more
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It was an example off the top of my head showing what the leagues top players go for - the fact that 60m is the 3rd highest transfer fee recieved by a German club would suggest my point is still valid even if you want to argue the toss over that particular transfer.
 
Yiddo said:
But we have Lucas, Lamela, Son, Alli and Eriksen fighting it out for potentially 3 spots. Why would we want to spend £60m on someone who will throw their toys out of the pram if he doesn't get a run in the team?
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I have seen no evidence to suggest that Zaha would throw his toys out of the pram. He would not be guaranteed to start, he would have to prove he is good enough like everybody else.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
As I said, I think there is a gulf in class between the two players and in the current market it is a signing I would be happy with.
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If the fee reflected the players ability id be happy with him too, a decent squad option that gives us something different - do i think he's worth what he is being touted for or that we shouldn't be able to find better options for the prices quoted? Not on your nelly
 
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