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( . Y . ) Tottenham v Chelsea | OMT ( . Y . )

Jurgen the German said:
No one is scape/escapegoating him. But he has a recent history of making high profile blunders against the top sides,yesterday was another prime example. I fail to see how being critical of a player equates to escaped goating them. Plenty are being critical of Wanyama too for example for his part in Chelsea's winner.
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And everyone who has commented on Victor has rightly pointed out that he probably isn't match fit.
Every player makes mistakes, Hugos wasn't a bad mistake but it led to a goal. It happens.
Look at the one courtiuos had, should have been an easy save and catch, miffed it and on another day it's a goal. He was lucky with a much bigger mistake, Hugo wasn't.
 
glasgowspur said:
And everyone who has commented on Victor has rightly pointed out that he probably isn't match fit.
Every player makes mistakes, Hugos wasn't a bad mistake but it led to a goal. It happens.
Look at the one courtiuos had, should have been an easy save and catch, miffed it and on another day it's a goal. He was lucky with a much bigger mistake, Hugo wasn't.
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It's not just about one mistake though Glasgow, it has been debated in great depth among many posters (not just the odd one or two negative ones) that he has a tendency to make high profile blunders in the biggest games where we cannot afford him to gift goals to the other team. Numerous examples have been provided to back up this theory. No one is saying we should get rid of him but he does need to fix this aspect to the mental side of his game otherwise he will continue making mistakes that could cost us. He only seems to do it in the big games too. I only recall one howler against a smaller side, that was against Saudi Sportswashing Machine when they beat us 2-1 at the lane and he spilled one over the line from a shot from Ayouze Perez.

It was actually two mistakes for the same goal, one was the throw to Wanyama, the other being the failure to stop Alonso's shot at the near post.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
It's not just about one mistake though Glasgow, it has been debated in great depth among many posters (not just the odd one or two negative ones) that he has a tendency to make high profile blunders in the biggest games where we cannot afford him to gift goals to the other team. Numerous examples have been provided to back up this theory. No one is saying we should get rid of him but he does need to fix this aspect to the mental side of his game otherwise he will continue making mistakes that could cost us.

It was actually two mistakes for the same goal, one was the throw to Wanyama, the other being the failure to stop Alonso's shot at the near post.
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Why is it a mental side?

To me their technical errors or actually some times chances that look easier to save than they are

There are of course the howlers like at city
 
Jurgen the German said:
It's not just about one mistake though Glasgow, it has been debated in great depth among many posters (not just the odd one or two negative ones) that he has a tendency to make high profile blunders in the biggest games where we cannot afford him to gift goals to the other team. Numerous examples have been provided to back up this theory. No one is saying we should get rid of him but he does need to fix this aspect to the mental side of his game otherwise he will continue making mistakes that could cost us.

It was actually two mistakes for the same goal, one was the throw to Wanyama, the other being the failure to stop Alonso's shot at the near post.
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I think the save is debatable, but I can't see how he can be blamed for the throw.
It was the right play and well executed. Wanyama got caught, 99 times out 100 he turns side show and plays sissoko away.
I don't have the greatest memory but in a lot of these examples Hugo has been left badly exposed and had to make snap calls, he gets some wrong, don't we all. It gets picked apart because it's big games.
The mistakes our defence makes tend to be over analysed imo.
 
afsoc4life said:
We are overreacting. Some days, stuff doesn't work out. We dominated Chelsea in that game but couldn't finish our chances. Players were tired. Happens. The result is a sad one but I pity the next team to play us in Wembley. We will crush them.
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I do agree with this slightly.

I think there has been this downer from pre season spawned from Rose and the Media crap which has resulted in the first loss being the end of the world when in fact its only the 5th lost in 40 league games and I think its very easy to forget the bigger picture.
 
All in all, I think we will beat Burnley in the next game and smash Swansea in the next 'home' game after that and end this media circus around us not winning much at Wembley.

Beat Burnley, go into the international break with 6 points from 9 and we'll be looking ok, considering we don't play at our best in the first few games of the season.

We might even have 1 or 2 new players by the time we play Everton away too.
 
the dza said:
All in all, I think we will beat Burnley in the next game and smash Swansea in the next 'home' game and end this media circus around us not winning much at Wembley.

Beat Burnley, go into the international break with 6 points from 9 and we'll be looking ok, considering we don't play at our best in the first few games of the season.

We might even have 1 or 2 new players by the time we play Everton away too.
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The media stuffcwont go away until we beat a couple of the sky favourites. They will just come with another stat about not beating a top x team at Wembley.
 
And people complain about player loyalty .. no wonder Rose said what he did about Spurs fans. Thanks @afsoc4life for some sanity.

Lloris? really, for all the people who actually went back to prior seasons to find maybe 3 or 4 errors, how about the amount of times he has kept us in a game?
Wanyama? seriously, the guy had a brick game, but he was immense for us last season.

Why is it so fudging hard to accept we played a very good team (that cost considerably more than ours, and has significantly more depth), controlled the game for large portions, their coach conceded possession (in recognition they don't want play wide open against us), we didn't convert our chances, they did (on far fewer).

People talk about tactics, nobody has noticed, Conte & Jose don't come to play us anymore, they sit back, break up play, try to get under our skin and hope to change the game late with the strength of their bench. Both of those guys know how hard it is to play against us, too bad our fans don't see it.

Add Son & Rose back to that lineup (fit and starting) and it will be even better.
 
Kandi1977 said:
The wall is there for a reason. He stood were every GK in the world would have positioned himself. If he was to position himself centrally in the goal, he might as well ditch the wall. I have often wondered if perhaps no wall would actually be the better option. Strangely no one tries that.
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No the Wall is there to protect the North from the White Walkers. And now that winter has come and they're marching...wait,what? Oh that wall!

The only thing I'd say is that with a wall, the keeper doesn't know if the free kick is near post or far post until it's cleared the wall which is 10 yards away. And only then does the keeper react. However without a wall the keeper can react immediately. Does that additional react time negate the need for a wall?

Would be interested to know if keepers test this in training. I.e. How good am I with 20-25 yard screamers from different angles.
 
Seedy Ron said:
He should've saved it, but I didn't really see too much wrong with the throw. If Big Vic had knocked it round the corner we'd have been away.
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Therin lies a bit of the "problem". I think after we equalized we tried a bit too hard to win the game, instead of maybe just play it safe and get one point. But what that also shows, is that this team has ambitions! Getting a late equalizer against the current champions isn't good enough for them. They want to win!
 
Grays_1890 said:
Liverpool when he tried a mental header and dropping on on De Bruynes foot.

Look I am not being negative, just discussing what I believe to be a point about our keeper. I would not swap him because I rate him, but you can still discuss points about your players weaknesses without being a doom and gloom monger
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Thanks. I understand and there was no doom and gloom subtext. I have an idea who the doom & gloom merchants are on here. And I love them too.
 
Raziel said:
And people complain about player loyalty .. no wonder Rose said what he did about Spurs fans. Thanks @afsoc4life for some sanity.

Lloris? really, for all the people who actually went back to prior seasons to find maybe 3 or 4 errors, how about the amount of times he has kept us in a game?
Wanyama? seriously, the guy had a brick game, but he was immense for us last season.

Why is it so fudging hard to accept we played a very good team (that cost considerably more than ours, and has significantly more depth), controlled the game for large portions, their coach conceded possession (in recognition they don't want play wide open against us), we didn't convert our chances, they did (on far fewer).

People talk about tactics, nobody has noticed, Conte & Jose don't come to play us anymore, they sit back, break up play, try to get under our skin and hope to change the game late with the strength of their bench. Both of those guys know how hard it is to play against us, too bad our fans don't see it.

Add Son & Rose back to that lineup (fit and starting) and it will be even better.
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Wanyama was a match fitness thing imo, and a one off. By far the worst game I've seen him have.

Hugo, imo, doesn't have many below par performances but when he does, they seem to be when we play good teams in the 'big games.' I think it's fair to highlight that. You'll notice that those of us who have discussed that in this thread don't advocate selling Hugo or whatever, I for one acknowledge that I don't think we could get a better goal-keeper, the handful of better ones play for much bigger teams than us. I've talked before in other threads that I don't think Hugo's distribution is that great (whatever pass completion stats might say) and that seems to be more of an issue in these types of games. The throw to Wanyama was a poor decision imo and getting done at the near post is never great for a goalkeeper, I think he himself would be disappointed with that.
 
glasgowspur said:
The media stuffcwont go away until we beat a couple of the sky favourites. They will just come with another stat about not beating a top x team at Wembley.
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All in good time, a couple of wins against the also-rans might just turn them down a notch at least (I hope!)

Then we can quietly go about our business while people w*nk over the Manc clubs.
 
Seriously - People doubting Hugo now? My word.
Rorschach said:
Anyone who thinks we could get a better keeper than Lloris is mad.
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It's ridiculous some of the stuff I've read on here today. In the first one virtually every keeper in the world would have set their wall up the same and got nowhere near it. In the second one the throw is the same throw he's made hundreds of times that people usually applaud. His one misdemeanour was to go for the low shot with hand when foot probably would have done. Stop overreacting people.
 
You know what? Phuck all you superfans that don't even bother to read what people are posting. You just see a criticism and then puff your chests out "rahh, call yourself a fan? how can you talk about any of our players on a forum for talking about players."

Not even gonna bother to post counter arguments to that kind of sh1t anymore.
 
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