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Who are the biggest bottlers in Europe ?
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Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
I mean among the national teams in Europe.
I had put a poll there but don't know where it went.](*,)
Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
I have to choose Netherlands, even if I hate them. They had always produced some great players but have never proved their worth when it comes to international tournaments. They were very lucky to win the Euro 1988, which is why I hate them.
That also goes to Portugal. They always bottle it in major tournaments. Special mention also to teams like Russia and Yugoslavia.
That also goes to Portugal. They always bottle it in major tournaments. Special mention also to teams like Russia and Yugoslavia.
southstand1882
Mitchell Thomas
Murray
SUIYHA
Scott Parker
It's amazing how many good players Holland produce considering the size of the country. Their population is only about a fifth of Germany's, yet IMO their top players are better than Germany's year on year. The difference is the Germans epitomise efficiency and team work, whereas the Dutch have always had problems with infighting and a disjointed squad. Remember Edgar Davids ranting about how Hiddink and the rest of the coaches were racist?
I'd say England are the biggest bottlers though. We've produced so many fantastic players too but keep choking when it really matters. To have only reached one semi-final in any competition outside of our own country is pathetic considering we've had the likes of Gascogine, Lineker, Keegan, Rooney, Gerrard, Scholes, Shearer etc over the years.
I'd say England are the biggest bottlers though. We've produced so many fantastic players too but keep choking when it really matters. To have only reached one semi-final in any competition outside of our own country is pathetic considering we've had the likes of Gascogine, Lineker, Keegan, Rooney, Gerrard, Scholes, Shearer etc over the years.
Holland with out a shadow of a doubt England don't come close due to fact they don't bottle it they're just brick
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
That isn't quite right. We finished third in the 1968 European Championship in Italy and reached what was effectively the semi-finals in 1980, again in Italy. The finals tournament was still only a maximum of 8 teams up until Euro 96 and was only 4 teams up until 1980. So we often made the 'quarter finals' or 'semi finals' by just qualifying for it.
I don't think we're bottlers really. Just mostly very poor choices for manager from Ramsey onwards. Revie, Greenwood, Robson, Taylor.... a string of crap before the half decent Venables and Hoddle and then a mix bag after. On top of all that, an inability to win a penalty competition. Even then, we haven't won many games in the finals against top opposition but we also haven't lost many either. And not just because of penalties. 1982 World Cup. Never lost a game, no penalties and we went out! ](*,) Only England could do that!
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
Then how do you explain largely English only teams dominating in Europe up until Heysel? And more of them too: 13 different clubs. Even the Arsenal team that saw off Sampdoria and Parma in 1994 was 1-11 English (with one scotsman on the bench: dingdongov) There was a sprinkling of Scots and Irish but the Europeans generally always had more foreigners on their books. The difference was: management. Clough won back to back European Cups but we overlooked him for Bobby Robson. And then kept him in charge for 8 years! Christ on a bike! ](*,)
And England have won what since 66?
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
Way to go on missing the point! :lol:
Miss the point? We're talking national football team and you're banging on about clough and Liverpool? Which ever way you look at it the England NATIONAL team is poor and has been for many moons now
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
No, literally you missed the point. I said at the end: we haven't won stuff because of terrible managerial appointments. So why are then asking: what have we won since 1966? We had quality across the board that was badly managed. If we didn't then we wouldn't have dominated European club competitions. And not just Liverpool, who I didn't even mention. What about Spurs in 1972? 14 of the 16 were Englishman. It has all been said before it is almost cliche but still true. We should have built a team around Hoddle but regarded him as a luxury. Gazza and John Barnes also, to a lesser extent.
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Manager big part of the team pick a brick manager you're gonna have a pretty brick team