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What Has Been The Worst Reffing/VAR Decision This Season?

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I was thinking abut what @Muttley said re: PGMOL and it is bang on...I just can't get as outraged as I used about things like Mendes and Clattenberg and Webb, etc...that being said, this season has felt like one of the absolute worst in terms of massively poor decisions against us (and please let's not get into this 'we're not Victims FC'...we're entitled to a whinge and this is what this thread will be - fair warning!)...

I'll start by nominating that disallowed Muani goal against the goons for the softest of contacts with Gabriel who behaved as though he'd been shoved into a goalkeeper and sustained a massive injury (see what I did there?!?!)...anyway, given the way games have been reffed this season that was never ever a foul IMO, and the stakes were massive. It would've been the second time we'd have come back from being behind in the game, we'd have been 2-2 in what, the 55th minute or so, everything to play for and the goons might well have wobbled. Instead, we get robbed...and then...well, anyway, what's rankled your heckles from the tossers in black and the VAR booth loafers?
 
For me the bentancur penalty away at Saudi Sportswashing Machine is when I realised it was all flimflam and they were making it up as they went along

I’ll stop short of calling it corruption because I don’t want to believe it is but there are some bizarre and unexplainable decisions every week
 
As per @treepits the Bentancur penalty award at Saudi Sportswashing Machine is probably the most heinous....Dan Burn literally had him in a headlock which is why he wasn't looking at the ball - and that was the reason why VAR insisted that a penalty be awarded!

At the time I had no issues with the Ekiteke 'push' on Romero but having seen ALL similar push/non push incidents go against us (Kolo Muani, Dragusin v Fulham, Brobbey on Romero/Kinsky) you've got to say it all just stinks.
 
90sSpursBook said:
As per @treepits the Bentancur penalty award at Saudi Sportswashing Machine is probably the most heinous....Dan Burn literally had him in a headlock which is why he wasn't looking at the ball - and that was the reason why VAR insisted that a penalty be awarded!

At the time I had no issues with the Ekiteke 'push' on Romero but having seen ALL similar push/non push incidents go against us (Kolo Muani, Dragusin v Fulham, Brobbey on Romero/Kinsky) you've got to say it all just stinks.
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Indeed!
Matches up with the ludicrous Sky nonsense I just saw where Dermott Gallagher and some gooner halfwit jobsworth Bothryod or ewhatever were both saying of the Brobby incident that 'if the keeper hadn't been there then it's nothing'...so by that metric, from now on, I am expecting any two handed shove to be acceptable. Nonsense isn't the right word is it...
 
Hard to pick just one, though as @90sSpursBook mentions the bias around pushing incidents involving us has been a joke.

The lack of a single penalty being awarded to us is also beyond ridiculous. I know our attacking play has been brick and we dont spend as much time in the opposition box as we should but is it possible that in the 32 games played not once has one of our players been fouled in the box? Given all the pushing and pulling at set pieces alone that is incomprehensible. Then there is all the soft handball penalties you see given every week. Not for us though, not one.
 
I can’t get animated by any of it tbh, as our performances have been so poor over such a long period that a few refereeing decisions are really neither here nor there. And I’m sure fans of every team could compile a list of unfair decisions from the season.

The Extra Inch had a good section on it yesterday; how we are all fixating on refereeing decisions because we have nothing else positive to fixate on. No great performances, no star player doing exciting things, few goals or goalmouth incidents, no forward momentum.

(That said, I’d also go with the Muani disallowed goal. 😀)
 
Mikey10 said:
I can’t get animated by any of it tbh, as our performances have been so poor over such a long period that a few refereeing decisions are really neither here nor there. And I’m sure fans of every team could compile a list of unfair decisions from the season.

The Extra Inch had a good section on it yesterday; how we are all fixating on refereeing decisions because we have nothing else positive to fixate on. No great performances, no star player doing exciting things, few goals or goalmouth incidents, no forward momentum.

(That said, I’d also go with the Muani disallowed goal. 😀)
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I agree with this to an extent but when so many games in the prem are decided by tiny margins and percentages, if refereeing decisions are constantly going against us then it makes it very difficult to win football matches, which leads to confidence being eroded etc

True, most teams can point to unfair refereeing throughout the season, United for example were harshly treated yesterday with the sending but a few weeks ago they benefitted from a non existent penalty against Palace. Apart from factual decisions ie offsides, how many can we say have gone our way this season
 
It’s death by a thousand cuts, I can’t remember them all.

The amount of times our players have been fouled in the build up to a conceded goal.

I think the first goal in the arsenal game was after Porro had been hacked down on the edge of their box.

The inconsistencies are criminal, it has to be intentional some of the time.

But just wait for next season, no VAR, it’ll be narrative officiating every game, we are gonna get fudged.
 
If I had to pick one, it'd be Bentancur. That's up there with Moura v Sheffield United or Dier v Saudi Sportswashing Machine for me.

But we aren't where we are because of poor officiating. We are where we deserve to be because we've been dogbrick. If the refs were as bad at their jobs as the board, management and players have been this season, we'd have gotten a hell of a lot more bad decisions.
 
The whole of the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game stunk to high heaven.
The penalty nobody saw or claimed for.
We had two players booked for diving but elanga constantly threw himself down in the box and got nothing.
 
Bentancur one for me too. Genuinely couldn’t believe it when it was given. Absolutely stunned.

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy, but I think there’s some subconscious need for refs to present authority and be ‘right’, and because we’re having a tough season it feels like the ‘right thing’ is whatever goes against us because that’s where the direction of travel is. So in whatever circumstance, we need to be stronger, cleverer, whatever it is somehow a Tottenham player has done the wrong thing. It’s a psychological thing combined with the fact that unfortunately the refs have no self reflection, no attempt to want to be consistent, no desire to use the technology at their fingertips effectively. And then their mates in the media who used to do their job just defend them too. It all compounds to being a horrible situation for us.

I think even rival fans are starting to notice just how much goes against us now. And the level of inconsistency how one week a push is a foul, then not a foul, then a foul again for example. It’s just ridiculous. It isn’t the reason we’re in this situation but with fine margins, a little bit of help would have been appreciated.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Bentancur one for me too. Genuinely couldn’t believe it when it was given. Absolutely stunned.

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy, but I think there’s some subconscious need for refs to present authority and be ‘right’, and because we’re having a tough season it feels like the ‘right thing’ is whatever goes against us because that’s where the direction of travel is. So in whatever circumstance, we need to be stronger, cleverer, whatever it is somehow a Tottenham player has done the wrong thing. It’s a psychological thing combined with the fact that unfortunately the refs have no self reflection, no attempt to want to be consistent, no desire to use the technology at their fingertips effectively. And then their mates in the media who used to do their job just defend them too. It all compounds to being a horrible situation for us.

I think even rival fans are starting to notice just how much goes against us now. And the level of inconsistency how one week a push is a foul, then not a foul, then a foul again for example. It’s just ridiculous. It isn’t the reason we’re in this situation but with fine margins, a little bit of help would have been appreciated.
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On the pushes (Romero, Kolo Muani, Dragusin), I can actually see the official's point in each one. In isolation, I can understand why they gave them and why they didn't. There is an element of subjectivity attached to those situations so it is open to some interpretation.

What is beyond frustrating is the inconsistency. That's where it becomes a lottery. When RKM is penalised one week and literally 7 days later the Fulham lad is not penalised for the same action on Dragusin...it's hard to stand over that especially with VAR being at their disposal. Makes no sense.
 
DeanoAustin said:
On the pushes (Romero, Kolo Muani, Dragusin), I can actually see the official's point in each one. In isolation, I can understand why they gave them and why they didn't. There is an element of subjectivity attached to those situations so it is open to some interpretation.

What is beyond frustrating is the inconsistency. That's where it becomes a lottery. When RKM is penalised one week and literally 7 days later the Fulham lad is not penalised for the same action on Dragusin...it's hard to stand over that especially with VAR being at their disposal. Makes no sense.
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I saw an ex ref do a video on the athletic. Basically saying that we want consistency but also want the refs to use common sense, and how we can’t have both.

I think that’s just nonsense and rooted in an old school approach that suggests nothing can get better. Once a bar is established for what foul contact is in a season, it should be very easy for VAR to check similar incidents and decide if the next incident meets that bar or not. Rather than subjectively applying their own sense of it on a week by week basis.
 
Overall, the refereeing for the Liverpool (H) game was the epitome of how we have been treated all season by the refs. Absolutely shambolic.

However, if I'm going to pick one for the whole PL, the Martinez one last night vs Leed may have been the worst I've seen, not only this season, but since VAR was introduced.

Fcuk VAR. It has been without a shadow of a doubt the worst change made to modern football in my lifetime. Death by over-analysis.
 
Ace Face said:
Overall, the refereeing for the Liverpool (H) game was the epitome of how we have been treated all season by the refs. Absolutely shambolic.

However, if I'm going to pick one for the whole PL, the Martinez one last night vs Leed may have been the worst I've seen, not only this season, but since VAR was introduced.

Fcuk VAR. It has been without a shadow of a doubt the worst change made to modern football in my lifetime. Death by over-analysis.
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Could not agree more, its good to see that at matches there are more fans who see what a mess/farce it is.
 
I hate having a go at Refs but we have been on the end of some terrible decisions. Off the top of my head
1) hands on shoulders disallowing a goal for but not against
2) Joelinton's scissor tackle on Kudus in the League cup resulting in a yellow card for both because Kudus had the temerity to be annoyed at Joelinton for trying to break his leg.
3) Brobbey on Sunday reckless tackle early doors on Romero and then a push that resulted in a collision between Romero and Kinsky that caused serious injury to both.

Im sure there are more than I can't remember.
 
Ace Face said:
Overall, the refereeing for the Liverpool (H) game was the epitome of how we have been treated all season by the refs. Absolutely shambolic.

However, if I'm going to pick one for the whole PL, the Martinez one last night vs Leed may have been the worst I've seen, not only this season, but since VAR was introduced.

Fcuk VAR. It has been without a shadow of a doubt the worst change made to modern football in my lifetime. Death by over-analysis.
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Agreed. I was never so anti VAR as others, but I think its application now has been shambolic. Scrap it if you can’t use it right.

Although it’s not even VAR that’s our issue this season really. It’s simply human beings not treating us fairly or consistently.
 
Robspur12 said:
I hate having a go at Refs but we have been on the end of some terrible decisions. Off the top of my head
1) hands on shoulders disallowing a goal for but not against
2) Joelinton's scissor tackle on Kudus in the League cup resulting in a yellow card for both because Kudus had the temerity to be annoyed at Joelinton for trying to break his leg.
3) Brobbey on Sunday reckless tackle early doors on Romero and then a push that resulted in a collision between Romero and Kinsky that caused serious injury to both.

Im sure there are more than I can't remember.
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Why do you hate having a go at referees? Football is a game played with a football, 22 guys or gals with 2 goal posts. We introduced referees to make sure that the experience was optimised because we needed somebody to make sure all 22 followed the same laws of the game based on the spirit of the game.

When you run the game through that lens you see how broken it is because the refs ignore the laws of the game. The entire system is broken because of it. All of the examples above are fair but they're not really represent the bigger issue. We could benchmark every single PL game this season against the laws and see massively different outcomes if the refs were doing what they get paid for. Just like last season's FA Cup Final, and our very recent Sunderland game, the outcome would be different. Euro 2020 exactly the same. Referee's changing the outcome of a game is a weekly occurrence in the PL.

I think we have every right to hate the process that selects these so called "elite" referee's. We have a right to hate the fact that their gross incompetence is normalised through commentators and pundits alike. As football stakeholders, we have every right to demand that they right their ship and offload guys like Howard Webb. There should be cages rattled everywhere in his organisation and he needs to fall on his sword. Doesn't mean we have to hate the actual people, although some of them deserve it with their egos.

What I would also say, to your very first point is that let's keep our own part in this tragedy mutually exclusive from theirs. THFC has to own their pieces but that shouldn't mean they shouldn't push back on PGMOL every time they make these easily avoidable errors. I don't really want us to gaslight like we saw from Klopp with PGMOL, but it's hard not to take that approach when we've been treated as bad as we have.
 
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