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Baleforce said:
I see why you think it’s a capitalist view, and it has short term capitalist benefits, but it’s a long term liberal, equality view.

I’m against the concept of nations, one planet, one people.
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Which is great. If nations were balanced. Taxation, wages etc... were the same. But they're not.

Hopefully one day.
 
Lilbaz said:
As i said i disagree. That's a pure capitalist view that leads just 1 way. Bigger fish eating smaller until only one is left.

There needs to be a balance.

I'm son of an imigrant by the way, if you think this is a nationalistic view.
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Like ths majority of people in this bastard nation, just need to look at your ancestors breakdown, I know from family our lot are a mix from Norfolk, Dundee, Cork, Wales, France and Russia, i suspect the Norfolk branch might have some Dane, Dundee Viking and Irish perhaps Amarda survives. I agree with you leave the choice of labour to capitalism and all jobs will go to the cheapest source and that will lead to radical nationalism.
 
Baleforce said:
I see why you think it’s a capitalist view, and it has short term capitalist benefits, but it’s a long term liberal, equality view.

I’m against the concept of nations, one planet, one people.
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would I still be able to get Sausage, Eggs and Chips from the beachside cafe in Tenerife?

I said SAUSAGE, EGGS and CHIPS....
 
Lilbaz said:
No. Every taxpayer chips in for the education of the population. If companies aren't required to employ some of those but go for cheaper alternatives from abroad then it makes that effort redundant. Also leaves locals redundant.
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That's why the best way to "vet" a visa application is salary/cost (not cheapest denominator), and once a reputable company is willing to spend a minimum bar, that should be enough (especially when that salary = significant taxes for the country that said visa applicant will probably never see value for)

I've worked in 6 different countries in a specialist field and it's just sad having to endure some clerk making a decision on if your capabilities are valuable when they haven't the slightest clue.

Anyway .. this has drifted way outside an Ange conversation ...
 
Baleforce said:
I don’t care about “English players coming through” myself.

We should invest in youngsters because it makes good business sense, irrespective of where they were born.
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This is the attitude that fueled the north/everywhere apart from London being deprioritised politically by the UK government. It's why we've committed this absolutely tragic act of national self harm that is Brexit and it's not a productive way to operate any group of people when you take a big picture view.
 
Lilbaz said:
I'm not a capitalist. I'm not a socialist. There has to be a balance.

Just talking about football. Yes we need the homegrown rule. So clubs invest in youngsters and don't just buy readymade from abroad. Doesn't mean they shouldn't buy great talents. But if they don't invest in training the next generation. There would be no good english players coming through.
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If clubs are buying better players from abroad then there will be more space in foreign clubs for British players to take.
 
Lilbaz said:
I'm not a capitalist. I'm not a socialist. There has to be a balance.

Just talking about football. Yes we need the homegrown rule. So clubs invest in youngsters and don't just buy readymade from abroad. Doesn't mean they shouldn't buy great talents. But if they don't invest in training the next generation. There would be no good english players coming through.
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Wouldn't the decent youngsters develop their trade at Championship or lower league clubs and if good enough get snapped up? There must be meaningful routes to do this beyond the elite academies and bench-warming forever.

never really understood the homegrown (or home-playing) rule in any sports.
 
Lost Mango said:
Wouldn't the decent youngsters develop their trade at Championship or lower league clubs and if good enough get snapped up? There must be meaningful routes to do this beyond the elite academies and bench-warming forever.

never really understood the homegrown (or home-playing) rule in any sports.
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Championship and league 1 teams could just get cheaper players from poorer countries. Why should they pay for academies? Yes you'll get to a level that would take players in. But they'd be well down the ladder.
 
Some people are better at things than others, talent should be all that matters. There is no need for protectionism, we live in a global economy.

It isn't protectionism to think that we have a duty to our own citizens. If -for instance- building companies can hire unlimited cheap bricklayers from abroad, why would they bother to have apprenticeship schemes? But sport is different in that elite talent is in short supply....
 
scaramanga said:
If clubs are buying better players from abroad then there will be more space in foreign clubs for British players to take.
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I've no problem with clubs buying top foreign players but many are average but experienced. Having 200 in the championship seems ridiculous. I know little about European football but I imagine only a few teams in each league have the amount of senior players in their match day squads as PL where you might see just 1 or 2 youngsters on bench depending on injury list.
 
Ok another way to look at it. Why should rich countries educate their children. When you can just import educated people from abroad?
 
Lilbaz said:
Ok another way to look at it. Why should rich countries educate their children. When you can just import educated people from abroad?
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Especially when all they do afterwards is disbelieve the lies and misdirection you feed them through your client media, which you've paid good money for. Ok, it was actually their money you paid as well, but you know what I mean.
 
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