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VDV

thfcsteff said:
Thing is, regardless of his eye of the prize and everything we agree on, lets never forget that he got 3rd back into our own hands with two games left. Against a tinkle-poor Aston Villa and Fulham at home. Two wins and we are third. No question. He blew it. I actually think he got as far as he could go and knew it. He knew what Modric was to us, to this team, and I don't believe he had the courage to take on a rebuild because his idea of a rebuild is to go and sign a bunch of 'on the bubble' late-20s/early 30s overrated big-earners and get a short-term charge from them. Let's all face facts, he nearly sold Bale. Twice. If people don't believe me, or the countless other folks who have pointed it out, read this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...uperstar-The-facts-seem-to-say-otherwise.html

I never like to revisit the past, but seeing as it was revisited, I cannot sit and watch ;)...great days, some amazing football, some fun times but he was a lucky, lucky manager who despite ALL that luck could STILL have won a title if he'd just kept his eye on the job.
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Most fans will clearly recall Redknapp's comments to the media that Bale's best position was at LB back, he said it often enough.

But the article is being disingenuously selective in it's quotes in relation to whether Harry wanted to sell Bale. Because I also clearly recall Harry at the time unequivocally denying the reports, saying it was out of the question, the club would be mad to sell him, or words to that effect. However it did take him an inordinately long time to come out and say it; the reports about a possible loan move had been circulating for months before he spoke up.

My memory tells me it was only when BAE got injured and he needed Bale at LB that he finally came out with those reassurances.

Not sure even Clive Allen, insider though he was, would have been fully apprised of what was going on behind the scenes. Doubtless there were approaches from several clubs but Clive does not say Harry was in on it, only that there were discussions between Tottenham and Birmingham and Forest and that the clubs had agreed the potential for the move.

So for my money it's a case of selective memory and quotes on the part of both the Telegraph and Harry who probably changed his mind only once BAE got injured.
 
Spur of the moment said:
Most fans will clearly recall Redknapp's comments to the media that Bale's best position was at LB back, he said it often enough.

But the article is being disingenuously selective in it's quotes in relation to whether Harry wanted to sell Bale. Because I also clearly recall Harry at the time unequivocally denying the reports, saying it was out of the question, the club would be mad to sell him, or words to that effect. However it did take him an inordinately long time to come out and say it; the reports about a possible loan move had been circulating for months before he spoke up.

My memory tells me it was only when BAE got injured and he needed Bale at LB that he finally came out with those reassurances.

Not sure even Clive Allen, insider though he was, would have been fully apprised of what was going on behind the scenes. Doubtless there were approaches from several clubs but Clive does not say Harry was in on it, only that there were discussions between Tottenham and Birmingham and Forest and that the clubs had agreed the potential for the move.

So for my money it's a case of selective memory and quotes on the part of both the Telegraph and Harry who probably changed his mind only once BAE got injured.
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Did you just restart a two year old discussion?? :D
 
Keane, for me, got to the point where he was more hinderance than help.

When we got him he was an incredible talent who enhanced the side, by the time we sold him his limitations were obvious and beginning to hold us back.

I think VDV was like Keane when he signed - incredible talent who enhanced the side, but came in at a time when we had already developed past Keane. He was a massive step up all round in those respects.
 
Retired today. One my favourites, ever.
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Fond memories of VdV, we got him as a bargain, like the former best selling toy discarded as broken after Christmas. Although he couldn’t move, we loved him and appreciated him more than his spoilt former owner who had lots of other expensive toys and because we played to his strengths it meant his technique and finishing made up for his lack of pace and therefore we got the most out of him. I think the appreciation was mutual between him and the fans.

He also got what the derby meant ans delivered big time which really helped us take some big strides forward as a club, wish him all the best and hope to see him at NWHL.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Keane, for me, got to the point where he was more hinderance than help.

When we got him he was an incredible talent who enhanced the side, by the time we sold him his limitations were obvious and beginning to hold us back.

I think VDV was like Keane when he signed - incredible talent who enhanced the side, but came in at a time when we had already developed past Keane. He was a massive step up all round in those respects.
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Have a look at Keane’s Sky Sports 100 club video and you remember again how good he was. He was brilliant when he arrived and still brilliant when he left the club (the first time round I mean).

VDV was my favorite player under Harry Redknapp. It was criminal that AVB let him go so easily.

Both were amazing players for us, but I think Keane has to get the nod for longevity.
 
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Finney Is Back said:
Have a look at Keane’s Sky Sports 100 club video and you remember again how good he was. He was brilliant when he arrived and still brilliant when he left the club (the first time round I mean).

VDV was my favorite player under Harry Redknapp. It was criminal that AVB let him go so easily.

Both were amazing players for us, but I think Keene has to get the nod for longevity.
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The shame with Keane was we were the right club for each other, he had earned the run of the place and the backing of the fans, so he’d be kept on regardless of how he’d been doing and pop up with a lot of late important goals. When he left to go and play left wing for his boyhood club for
70 mins at a time it ruined him and I was really disappointed we welcomed him back like nothing had happened. Plus other than one freakish game against someone like Hull he was never the same player for us either, it really was like getting back with someone after they’ve cheated on you!

Compared to VdV Keane Mk1 may have given more, especially considering where we were as a club but VDV was more like a holiday romance that never got a chance to go stale...
 
Finney Is Back said:
Have a look at Keane’s Sky Sports 100 club video and you remember again how good he was. He was brilliant when he arrived and still brilliant when he left the club (the first time round I mean).

VDV was my favorite player under Harry Redknapp. It was criminal that AVB let him go so easily.

Both were amazing players for us, but I think Keene has to get the nod for longevity.
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The whole Liverpool thing was perfection, and handled very badly - but its not something I hold against him.

At the time he went there, I was pretty happy with the move, good luck to him.

The problem was always, for me, he hadnt grown past being an instinctive striker, and we needed something more.

Give him a split second, half turned away from goal, 3 defenders in front of him - inexplicably he will score.

Put him 1 on 1 with the keeper and almost certainly he will screw it up. Time to think was a curse to him.

Similar could be said about much of his play, hence my feeling we had grown past him.

None of which is to say I wasnt I fan, I was, he was a great servent to the club and I can thank him for some great memories.
 
MKSpur said:
Fond memories of VdV, we got him as a bargain, like the former best selling toy discarded as broken after Christmas. Although he couldn’t move, we loved him and appreciated him more than his spoilt former owner who had lots of other expensive toys and because we played to his strengths it meant his technique and finishing made up for his lack of pace and therefore we got the most out of him. I think the appreciation was mutual between him and the fans.

He also got what the derby meant ans delivered big time which really helped us take some big strides forward as a club, wish him all the best and hope to see him at NWHL.
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Let's not forget his Mrs.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
The whole Liverpool thing was perfection, and handled very badly - but its not something I hold against him.

At the time he went there, I was pretty happy with the move, good luck to him.

The problem was always, for me, he hadnt grown past being an instinctive striker, and we needed something more.

Give him a split second, half turned away from goal, 3 defenders in front of him - inexplicably he will score.

Put him 1 on 1 with the keeper and almost certainly he will screw it up. Time to think was a curse to him.

Similar could be said about much of his play, hence my feeling we had grown past him.

None of which is to say I wasnt I fan, I was, he was a great servent to the club and I can thank him for some great memories.
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I disagree completely. Keane was a very good player both in terms of his finishing and his general awareness. He was brilliant at finding space, was a very good finisher and also equally adept at creating goals as he was at scoring them.

I thought it was notable that Jenas had Keane in his FFL 1 to 11, despite Jenas playing with a huge number of excellent players for Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Spurs and England. When commenting about Keane, Jenas specifically mentioned the intelligence of Keane's movement.

Keane’s goalscoring record at Spurs was decent with his best seasons being his last two, where he scored 22 and then 23 goals. His partnership with Berbatov was fantastic and the two of them complimented each other really well.

As I said before – watch his 100 club footage and you will remind yourself again of how good both his all round play and his finishing was. Keane was a class act and I think is a player who for some reason is seriously underrated by quite a few of our fans.

Keane also scored 68 goals in 146 games for Ireland. That is a record better than Wayne Rooney’s was for England and Keane did this playing for an international team who are probably a third tier International side. You don't have a record like that without being a very good player.
 
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