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Let's just get the offsides faster (only 1 in 30? offsides need subjective intervention)
Probably get the tech to cover the whole byline. And get all the corner/or goalkick decisions right (not a hard task)....and forget the rest.

Then give two challenges to each manager per game.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Let's just get the offsides faster (only 1 in 30? offsides need subjective intervention)
Probably get the tech to cover the whole byline. And get all the corner/or goalkick decisions right (not a hard task)....and forget the rest.

Then give two challenges to each manager per game.
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I hate the idea of challenges per game, I just think goal line tech and semi auto offside, then can the rest

Jobs done
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I hate the idea of challenges per game, I just think goal line tech and semi auto offside, then can the rest

Jobs done
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I think it puts the onus/pressure on the team/coach to then challenge. Zip it if you don't.

Plus they'll always be the very big things the officials miss that 109% need punishment....this would act as a safety net for them.
 
Proper citing and punishment after the matches, including for managers.

It can be missed in a match but if it should have been a yellow or red then a sanction afterwards, especially for cheating such as diving and rugby tackling & obstruction at corners. Doesn't solve the issue in the actual match and benefits other teams but that is true for all games so swings and roundabouts, but until squads are decimated by lots of suspensions then Legohead etc will continue to do this brick week in week out.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I think it puts the onus/pressure on the team/coach to then challenge. Zip it if you don't.

Plus they'll always be the very big things the officials miss that 109% need punishment....this would act as a safety net for them.
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I think it would come down to the same thing, last nights goal for example. West Ham challenge but that decision goes through same process and is disallowed still? Needless to say even if they didn't challenge and Arsenal did they would still feel aggrieved

All the controversy that VAR was meant to eradicate still remains, we might as well just go back to that sitting with the one ref than 4
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I think it would come down to the same thing, last nights goal for example. West Ham challenge but that decision goes through same process and is disallowed still? Needless to say even if they didn't challenge and Arsenal did they would still feel aggrieved

All the controversy that VAR was meant to eradicate still remains, we might as well just go back to that sitting with the one ref than 4
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This is the crux to me. You used to leave a match feeling hard done by but human error by the ref, all part of the experience. Now though you expect, with technology the correct decisions, yet 4 blokes in a van watching Sky Sports still make brick calls so you feel further aggrieved.

Bin Stockley Park off and go back to a ref and 2 assistants and suck up the occasional rooster up.
 
Lost Mango said:
This is the crux to me. You used to leave a match feeling hard done by but human error by the ref, all part of the experience. Now though you expect, with technology the correct decisions, yet 4 blokes in a van watching Sky Sports still make brick calls so you feel further aggrieved.

Bin Stockley Park off and go back to a ref and 2 assistants and suck up the occasional rooster up.
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Yep and run a campaign of respect for managers and come down on managers who slaughter them.

The knock on to lower league officiating because of VAR is becoming evident. Its having a massively negative impact
 
Lost Mango said:
This is the crux to me. You used to leave a match feeling hard done by but human error by the ref, all part of the experience. Now though you expect, with technology the correct decisions, yet 4 blokes in a van watching Sky Sports still make brick calls so you feel further aggrieved.

Bin Stockley Park off and go back to a ref and 2 assistants and suck up the occasional rooster up.
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And then stop dissection of every decision via TV. That’s partly why we got to VAR because every mistake was highlighted over and over.
Of course there’s no way to stop that.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
And then stop dissection of every decision via TV. That’s partly why we got to VAR because every mistake was highlighted over and over.
Of course there’s no way to stop that.
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We demonised refs on something like 98% success rates and then introduced a system to make them second guess their entire job whilst judging their work..........by their colleagues. What could have gone wrong
 
I'm starting to believe that VAR has made referee's job impossible. All I see from fans of every club online is whinging and moaning about refereeing decisions and I'm honest to GHod fed up of it.

My belief is that the expectation of fans is that VAR means that every single call should be "correct". The problem is that there is subjectivity involved in a lot of decisions. You can see us debating on here about the Maddison penalty. Some of us feel it wasn't, some feel it was. That's after 15 hours and multiple looks at it. There is no "correct" call in that situation - I could see it being given, I could see it not being given (and I wouldn't have given it).

Then, where you have officials making decisions like that, 50% of people are going to think you're wrong and then go and look for some inconsistency where a similar foul was given. Then that becomes a conspiracy. I've seen Spurs fans claim that the PL are against us and want us down whereas opposition fans claim that the Arsenal goal, the DCL offside, the additional 13 mins etc are evidence that there is a conspiracy to keep us in the league. If they wanted to keep us in the league, we'd have gotten a pen last night. If they wanted us down, DCL would have got a pen first half.

It's tiresome and it's poisonous. I think VAR has increased the accuracy of decisions which is what it was designed to do. Improvement, not perfection. It's come at a cost (timely delays, not being able to celebrate properly) but I'm okay with living with that cost. I understand why some aren't.

What I'm not okay with is the constant whinging and crying from fans and clubs about decisions that are marginal or subjective. What I'm not okay with is the dozens of conspiracy theories circulating. What I'm not okay with is Sky Sports News having a weekly programme where they scrutinise refereeing decisions to the nth degree.

The technology isn't really the problem for me. It's the ambiguity in some of the laws of the game, it's the cheating by players and coaches, it's the media scrutiny and it's the incessant moaning about anything that doesn't go your way as some sort of travesty or conspiracy.

Okay, off my soapbox.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I'm starting to believe that VAR has made referee's job impossible. All I see from fans of every club online is whinging and moaning about refereeing decisions and I'm honest to GHod fed up of it.

My belief is that the expectation of fans is that VAR means that every single call should be "correct". The problem is that there is subjectivity involved in a lot of decisions. You can see us debating on here about the Maddison penalty. Some of us feel it wasn't, some feel it was. That's after 15 hours and multiple looks at it. There is no "correct" call in that situation - I could see it being given, I could see it not being given (and I wouldn't have given it).

Then, where you have officials making decisions like that, 50% of people are going to think you're wrong and then go and look for some inconsistency where a similar foul was given. Then that becomes a conspiracy. I've seen Spurs fans claim that the PL are against us and want us down whereas opposition fans claim that the Arsenal goal, the DCL offside, the additional 13 mins etc are evidence that there is a conspiracy to keep us in the league. If they wanted to keep us in the league, we'd have gotten a pen last night. If they wanted us down, DCL would have got a pen first half.

It's tiresome and it's poisonous. I think VAR has increased the accuracy of decisions which is what it was designed to do. Improvement, not perfection. It's come at a cost (timely delays, not being able to celebrate properly) but I'm okay with living with that cost. I understand why some aren't.

What I'm not okay with is the constant whinging and crying from fans and clubs about decisions that are marginal or subjective. What I'm not okay with is the dozens of conspiracy theories circulating. What I'm not okay with is Sky Sports News having a weekly programme where they scrutinise refereeing decisions to the nth degree.

The technology isn't really the problem for me. It's the ambiguity in some of the laws of the game, it's the cheating by players and coaches, it's the media scrutiny and it's the incessant moaning about anything that doesn't go your way as some sort of travesty or conspiracy.

Okay, off my soapbox.
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What I would say....is you must be putting yourself in the way of all that noise, ranting, moaning, endless babble to be annoyed or tired of it?.

I might watch a little bit of the post match stuff...and then drop in here for some discussion and that's it. Back to things I have to do or deserve my interest/attention.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What I would say....is you must be putting yourself in the way of all that noise, ranting, moaning, endless babble to be annoyed or tired of it?.

I might watch a little bit of the post match stuff...and then drop in here for some discussion and that's it. Back to things I have to do or deserve my interest/attention.
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It’s a fair point. Recently reactivated my Facebook account for a personal reason but have been scrolling it and winding myself up with this brick.

However, the mainstream media stuff I haven’t really sought but it’s any time you watch football.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
We demonised refs on something like 98% success rates and then introduced a system to make them second guess their entire job whilst judging their work..........by their colleagues. What could have gone wrong
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Did you make up the 98%?

In my mind referees measured on the laws of the game would put them at maximum 80%. If the denominator was the laws and the numerator was the referees getting the match to adhere to them, can you imagine what score they would come up. Every match I see referee's turning blind eyes to fouls, yellows, reds. I then see the big incidences being called incorrectly.

Football decisions using tech isn't as subjective as we're making out. That is if the laws are your guide.

We don't need to get rid of VAR, the technology. We need to be firing people left, right and centre at PGMOL. It needs lifting and shifting back to the FA and it needs new leadership and a proper segmentation of roles. We don't need on-pitch referees sitting in Stockley park. We need them to focus on being better at their specialist discipline. We need proper analysts who live and breathe the laws of the game to be the guide to the refs at Stockley. A team that isn't taking the same KPI's as the referees.

I want to see huge disruption in officiating because we won't see the adjustment on the players and managers side until it happens. We definitely won't be seeing entertaining football with the current officiating. The PL quality has plummeted since Webb took over.
 
Muttley said:
Did you make up the 98%?

In my mind referees measured on the laws of the game would put them at maximum 80%. If the denominator was the laws and the numerator was the referees getting the match to adhere to them, can you imagine what score they would come up. Every match I see referee's turning blind eyes to fouls, yellows, reds. I then see the big incidences being called incorrectly.

Football decisions using tech isn't as subjective as we're making out. That is if the laws are your guide.

We don't need to get rid of VAR, the technology. We need to be firing people left, right and centre at PGMOL. It needs lifting and shifting back to the FA and it needs new leadership and a proper segmentation of roles. We don't need on-pitch referees sitting in Stockley park. We need them to focus on being better at their specialist discipline. We need proper analysts who live and breathe the laws of the game to be the guide to the refs at Stockley. A team that isn't taking the same KPI's as the referees.

I want to see huge disruption in officiating because we won't see the adjustment on the players and managers side until it happens. We definitely won't be seeing entertaining football with the current officiating. The PL quality has plummeted since Webb took over.
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Totally agree, I think we all hope VAR would reduce errors and inconsistency, it's done neither. Referees appear to have been given a free hand with what laws they enforce and still seem to interpret them whichever way they like.
This has allowed managers and players to cheat repeatedly knowing theres a good chance of getting away with it.
This issue has been ignored by the football authorities, clubs and media as their interests are in protecting the product, to my mind it's one of the good things social media has bought to the game as the noise generated by the volume of disapproval on in has forced the issue.
 
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