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Can anyone think of a club who have moved to a new stadium and the atmosphere has improved?
I would say many of the German clubs have managed that. But that's not only to do with the stadium. The whole german league has had a massive boost with new huge stadiums, better players/teams and the crowds have responded.
 
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Can anyone think of a club who have moved to a new stadium and the atmosphere has improved?

Good point. It's difficult to think of one because the atmosphere at many clubs has declined over the years. I remember going to the Baseball Ground, which was squashed in between terraced houses, and it was a phenomenal atmosphere inside there, when they beat us 5-0 under Clough. Hard to think that Pride Park can match that famous old ground.

Maybe the Madjeski and St Mary's have improved on their predecessors, I wouldn't say for sure they have, but they are perhaps predecessors.

I'm hopeful we can improve in the new stadium, because it shouldn't be difficult compared to the past few seasons. Although, maybe under Poch things will improve anyway, here's hoping.
 
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The design argument is an excuse imo, fact is most fans who go to PL games nowadays just aren't that noisy.
 
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Good point. It's difficult to think of one because the atmosphere at many clubs has declined over the years. I remember going to the Baseball Ground, which was squashed in between terraced houses, and it was a phenomenal atmosphere inside there, when they beat us 5-0 under Clough. Hard to think that Pride Park can match that famous old ground.

Maybe the Madjeski and St Mary's have improved on their predecessors, I wouldn't say for sure they have, but they are perhaps predecessors.

I'm hopeful we can improve in the new stadium, because it shouldn't be difficult compared to the past few seasons. Although, maybe under Poch things will improve anyway, here's hoping.

I remember reading that the atmosphere at Emirates Marketing Project was flat after they moved and was worse in the first season because it took a while for fans to find out in which parts of the stadium like minded fans were sitting.
 
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I remember reading that the atmosphere at Emirates Marketing Project was flat after they moved and was worse in the first season because it took a while for fans to find out in which parts of the stadium like minded fans were sitting.

It will be like that with our 1st season, will be weird as hell for ages...
 
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I agree about the atmosphere. Should be more positive towards us and more antagonistic to the oppo. Many of our fans do the away team's job for them by turning on our players rather than the team we're playing. Apparently Naughton was booed on Saturday, why?

I was there, I didnt hear Naughton booed at all and considering it wasnt noisy I would have thought Id hear it. Must of been an extreme minority? He played well anyway...
 
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Can anyone think of a club who have moved to a new stadium and the atmosphere has improved?

I thought that as soon as I posted, instantly thought of how rubbish it is at The Emirates. What about Stoke? Although their atmosphere might of been as good before they had The Britannia?
 
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I was there, I didnt hear Naughton booed at all and considering it wasnt noisy I would have thought Id hear it. Must of been an extreme minority? He played well anyway...
Fair enough, something I read elsewhere, I'll strike that one from the long record of Spurs fan turning on their own :)

I remember the fans going on at Venables because he wasn't Mackay or Blanchflower.
 
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I thought that as soon as I posted, instantly thought of how rubbish it is at The Emirates. What about Stoke? Although their atmosphere might of been as good before they had The Britannia?

I went to the old Victoria Ground many years ago, and must say it wasn't as 'good/initimidating' as it seems on the Britannia (never been there). But of course couldn't judge on one visit.
 
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The more impressive sets of fans actually sing songs together .... not just part of a chorus before breaking off in differing tempi. The words they sing are the words of the song, and all the verses.

That is how you get a whole crowd working together.

Good luck with that.
 
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Most can't even get 'Oh when the Spurs..' right. In my view its THREE verses of the slow bit, THEN the fast till it fizzles out. Most go into the fast bit after only 1 verse.
 
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The design argument is an excuse imo, fact is most fans who go to PL games nowadays just aren't that noisy.

Still the question needs to asked about the best design to give the home fan advantage...some out of the box thinking May be necessary e.g. More screens for better crowd engagement,special area for cheer leaders and cheerleaders, more accessible booze etc ... May be that's why the American stadiums are the way they are now :)
 
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Still the question needs to asked about the best design to give the home fan advantage...some out of the box thinking May be necessary e.g. More screens for better crowd engagement,special area for cheer leaders and cheerleaders, more accessible booze etc ... May be that's why the American stadiums are the way they are now :)

Yeah… no thanks

I really like Ice Hockey, but hate going to games because of all the 'manufactured fun'. It even tarnished going to some of the Olympic events. I want to spectate, not 'participate'. It's just not very Old World.
 
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Yeah… no thanks

I really like Ice Hockey, but hate going to games because of all the 'manufactured fun'. It even tarnished going to some of the Olympic events. I want to spectate, not 'participate'. It's just not very Old World.

It isn't 'manufactured' if the crowd generally enjoys it and sees it as a part of the experience. North American teams seem to be quite generally very serious about supporter accommodation: it makes up, I suppose, for the randomness with which their franchise ownership switches hands and their socialist sporting model. It might be worth trying out the American system in England, especially given that even on the continent, fan engagement with their teams (via their respective ultra groups and their synchronised celebrations) still outstrips England, which seems to be increasingly alone in sticking to a very individualistic view of supporter-team relations, i.e it's largely every man/woman for himself or herself.

Try it out, I say. Easier access to booze sounds nice, and any flak from other supporters/clubs for American-style screens and announcers encouraging support can be easily deflected by implementing this in conjunction with making the single-tier Kop end a standing section, where the old-timers who don't like all that can gather together and create an atmosphere of their own independent from the rest of the stadium if they so wish.

Overall, we need to innovate. And while I understand your viewpoint and respect it, ultimately either we lead the change that will inevitably hit our shores (via American sports invading the isles and the ever-increasing American cultural influences on the youngsters), or we'll be swept along by it and lose any first-mover advantages that might have been available earlier had we only taken the initiative.
 
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It isn't 'manufactured' if the crowd generally enjoys it and sees it as a part of the experience. North American teams seem to be quite generally very serious about supporter accommodation: it makes up, I suppose, for the randomness with which their franchise ownership switches hands and their socialist sporting model. It might be worth trying out the American system in England, especially given that even on the continent, fan engagement with their teams (via their respective ultra groups and their synchronised celebrations) still outstrips England, which seems to be increasingly alone in sticking to a very individualistic view of supporter-team relations, i.e it's largely every man/woman for himself or herself.

Try it out, I say. Easier access to booze sounds nice, and any flak from other supporters/clubs for American-style screens and announcers encouraging support can be easily deflected by implementing this in conjunction with making the single-tier Kop end a standing section, where the old-timers who don't like all that can gather together and create an atmosphere of their own independent from the rest of the stadium if they so wish.

Overall, we need to innovate. And while I understand your viewpoint and respect it, ultimately either we lead the change that will inevitably hit our shores (via American sports invading the isles and the ever-increasing American cultural influences on the youngsters), or we'll be swept along by it and lose any first-mover advantages that might have been available earlier had we only taken the initiative.

I would say American cultural influences are decreasing on youngsters, probably for the first time in 60 years. The growing thing now is authenticity - the rediscovery of real ale, vinyl records, independent shops, local/fresh food etc. Even the 1882 Movement is a rejection of the 90s and 00s entitlement generation - an attempt by young fans to connect with the more authentic times gone by.

Building a proper 3-tier version of the current WHL, with safe standing, bovril and hearty pies, might be the perfect anecdote to the sanitised 'Sky hype' game that people are so fatigued of now.

Bringing beer back to the terraces would be nice though. And boy does it **** me off that you can't even get it in the stadium for UEFA matches.
 
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I would say American cultural influences are decreasing on youngsters, probably for the first time in 60 years. The growing thing now is authenticity - the rediscovery of real ale, vinyl records, independent shops, local/fresh food etc. Even the 1882 Movement is a rejection of the 90s and 00s entitlement generation - an attempt by young fans to connect with the more authentic times gone by.

Building a proper 3-tier version of the current WHL, with safe standing, bovril and hearty pies, might be the perfect anecdote to the sanitised 'Sky hype' game that people are so fatigued of now.

Bringing beer back to the terraces would be nice though. And boy does it **** me off that you can't even get it in the stadium for UEFA matches.


:-k how come?
 
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I would say American cultural influences are decreasing on youngsters, probably for the first time in 60 years. The growing thing now is authenticity - the rediscovery of real ale, vinyl records, independent shops, local/fresh food etc. Even the 1882 Movement is a rejection of the 90s and 00s entitlement generation - an attempt by young fans to connect with the more authentic times gone by.

Building a proper 3-tier version of the current WHL, with safe standing, bovril and hearty pies, might be the perfect anecdote to the sanitised 'Sky hype' game that people are so fatigued of now.

Bringing beer back to the terraces would be nice though. And boy does it **** me off that you can't even get it in the stadium for UEFA matches.

Like I said, I do respect your opinion. In fact, it is largely my preference as well: Overall, I still prefer our style of support to anyone else's, even if it grates with me on some points (the relative powerlessness of our individualistic fanbases versus the more organized ones on the continent who bargain and support collectively, for example): it just feels more 'organic' to me. But for every point you've brought up regarding the supposed trend towards rediscovering traditions and authentic home-grown cultures, there's an example of American cultural trends sweeping aside British ones. The death of the local pubs due to the rise of pub chains, American sports (NFL, Basketball) aggressively moving to secure footholds in the British sporting market, the Americanisation of the British musical scene and the impending effects of the TTIP (should it be signed) on British consumers...there's too much evidence to dismiss continuing Americanisation out of hand.

Logically, we can't do too much about it: hence, we can only go with the flow and adapt as best we can. Hence, my suggestion to be at the forefront of these changes instead of being dragged along by them. It seems to have worked for us in terms of securing a market foothold in the US itself: we moved quickly, and were first on the scene, and now we're reaping the benefits of that. We should try that again, and the stadium seems an opportunity to do so.
 
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Oh, and as an addendum, if the rumors of our NFL partnership turn out to be true, I suspect we won't have a choice: the screens and cheerleaders will be at the new WHL regardless.
 
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