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Tom Carroll
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afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
How in the world is Sol Campbell my hero? Because I said he was one of the best defenders to have come from Spurs? Really.
The Spurs central midfield didnt play so well today.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Please calm it down @Modric THFC and @afsoc4life - we can discuss Carroll without being at each others throats
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
How am I at his throat?
milo
Jack L. Jones
Just chill out please
Roland Beurre
Richard Gough
I do not recall him doing that today*, but I do remember Lamela taking the ball right off his toes near the D of the penalty box as he was just about to spread it out to Trippier. The pass was cut out and they launched an attack.
He did hit some decent passes, as you say, when not under pressure, but his best pass in my view is the low rifled pass through a crowd of defenders to an attacker on the edge of the box.
* I'm not saying it did not happen; I just did not notice it.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
I thought Lamela was running with purpose, Carroll took it off his toe and Lamela was annoyed about it, can't remember really
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
I know this tactic and do not use it on me. Do not make me appear as if I am being unreasonable by projecting negative emotions on me and putting words 'in my mouth'.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I am being even handed. @Modric THFC's reply to your post was out of order and your response did nothing to take the heat out of the conversation. I am asking you both nicely to cut it out.
Ginola99
Steven Caulker
He constantly runs within 10ft of another player forcing them to pass it to him, its just not needed. Make an angle and let the player decide whether to give it to you, it also allows the other play to carry it forward into space. He actually cuts out options by doing what he does.. The example you said I actually dont have a massive problem with, yes Carrol was in the wrong and should have left it for Lamela but it was a quick decision that needed to be made and around the box when a dither from either of them and the ball would have been taken anyway.
He used to play like this in the youth teams, and whilst at the time he was the best passer on the pitch on most occasions and it looked impressive at that level it just doesnt cut it in the Prem. There are equal if not better passers in our team, the teams put you under more pressure which he struggles with, and he needs to learn to use his body to roll past players like Modric did.
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
^ he did much better and the team did as well when he was played further up the pitch.
Roland Beurre
Richard Gough
I could have sworn Carroll was the one actually in possession, though. No big deal, really, as these sorts of misunderstandings happen all the time. At least the pair of them did not take each other out of the game with a clash of heads.
My big gripe about Carroll is that he passes sideways too much. In theory he's one of the best passers in the team so he should be playing the defence splitting passes, not playing safe
I wouldn't get too excited by Carroll either on the plus side or the negative side, though I do think he has improved a lot and I hope it continues. He's a squad player who is saving the legs of our more important players, and he's doing a decent job. He's played alright (sometimes played very well), got a few goals and not been detrimental to results. He's allowed Bentaleb to be given time to come back and has covered the absence of Mason. He hasn't moaned about having to wait for his minutes in the side and just comes in and gets on with it when called upon. Squad players like this are valuable.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Let's have a look at that for a moment. These are his passes against Everton, Leicester and Watford
By way of comparison, here are Dembele's passes against Sunderland. Probably the weakest opposition of the four.
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
There was a very good post, perhaps on this thread but unsure, mentioning that Carroll would have more of a following if as opposed to his fresh faced and eager well spoken attributes, he had double full sleeve tattoos, a bit more of an imposing figure alongside unnecessary aggression and a working class accent thrown in to the mix.
I think he has been excellent to have in and around the squad. It's difficult to overestimate the impact of someone who is always striving to receive the ball in any position and then move it on quickly. I think he has shown that he has more in his locker than thought of previously and although there is bound to be endless naysayers and groaners, Poch has seen young Tom as a very useful part of the squad.
In games where he hasn't excelled I would say that often he's not had the characteristics needed around him to emphasize what he can bring to the team. One big example being him and Mason being a midfield pairing away to Dortmund, quite simply not going to do the job and was bound to. Of course it depends on the opposition but I see Carroll being able to have more effect either in more of an advanced position or alongside Dier against teams wanting to sit back at the lane. If we do bring in a more defensive minded midfielder next season then there is more of a chance to recreate the first team XI with a few additions as opposed to it all falling apart when key players are in need of a rest.
I think he has been excellent to have in and around the squad. It's difficult to overestimate the impact of someone who is always striving to receive the ball in any position and then move it on quickly. I think he has shown that he has more in his locker than thought of previously and although there is bound to be endless naysayers and groaners, Poch has seen young Tom as a very useful part of the squad.
In games where he hasn't excelled I would say that often he's not had the characteristics needed around him to emphasize what he can bring to the team. One big example being him and Mason being a midfield pairing away to Dortmund, quite simply not going to do the job and was bound to. Of course it depends on the opposition but I see Carroll being able to have more effect either in more of an advanced position or alongside Dier against teams wanting to sit back at the lane. If we do bring in a more defensive minded midfielder next season then there is more of a chance to recreate the first team XI with a few additions as opposed to it all falling apart when key players are in need of a rest.
Mason has a role with Poch, as does Carroll even if his contract situation is odd. Bentaleb seems out and I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on.
Over summer our midfield doesn't need a ton of work, cover for Dier is the main requirement.
Carroll (if he doesn't go), Mason, Chadli & Pritchard will be the sub/rotation options fighting for 1st team spot.
To get back on topic, I still see Carroll as having to play an Eriksen type role to start.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
I don't get what's good about him. He's a decent passer, but he requires far too much support and cover around him to work. He can't play in the 2 central positions. He's way too weak for that. The only viable option form him is the #10 position, and we have a lot of far better options there.