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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?


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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Chances are Levy will appoint a new manager at Spurs
but they would be better off backing Tim Sherwood


Sam Wallace

Tottenham Hotspur’s new Enfield training ground, with its immaculate lawns and spirit-level straight flowerbeds, can sometimes feel like a film-set, or rather an environment too perfect to be real. Reality is for Tottenham High Road, its matchday traffic jams, burger vans and post-riots Aldi. Down in Enfield they exist in a bubble where the pitches are always pristine, the main reception resembles the lobby of a City law firm and “To Dare is To Do” confronts you from so many angles one has to fight the urge to sign up for a skydiving course or such like.

It opened for the first season of the short-lived Andre Villas-Boas regime, an appropriately modern manager for such an environment, or so Spurs thought at the time. At least in terms of their training ground, they were in the same league as the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United.

Walk around the new Spurs training ground, that superseded the impractical Spurs Lodge, located opposite Chigwell’s leading municipal rubbish tip, and you might believe you are in a club capable of competing with the best in the world. But blink your eyes, shake your head and confront the reality. Or, as Tim Sherwood would say: “Wake up.”

Spurs are in the process of blowing the chance to qualify for Champions League football again. The difference this time is that they have a manager with the strength of character to say what he thinks. Sherwood’s comments after the 4-0 defeat by Chelsea on Saturday were revealing to say the least, and pushed Spurs on to the back page for the first time since Villas-Boas’ departure. But Sherwood has been saying as much for a while.

His attack on the “lack of characters” in the team, the fact they are “too nice with each other” instead of demanding the best – “they need to dig each other out more often” – will attract attention because it is rare a manager says such things. But Sherwood was asking trenchant questions of the Spurs hierarchy, chairman Daniel Levy and technical director Franco Baldini, when he was still caretaker coach.

The thrust of it being this: is Levy prepared to give the manager time to build a team? Will he trust him to sign his own players and bring those from the academy Sherwood previously oversaw into the first team? Or will every slump signal a new managerial appointment, a change of direction and new players signed by Levy and Baldini to try to rescue the situation?

When it comes to backing Sherwood in the long-term the length of his 18-month contract says it all. As for the club’s endorsement, Sherwood himself says, “the silence is deafening”.

Levy has done many good things at the club, not least the now-abandoned policy of buying young British talent that eventually yielded the biggest transfer fee in the history of football for Gareth Bale. But Levy has also always given the impression he believes he is one inspired appointment away from transforming Spurs from perennial also-rans into an elite Champions League club. Goodness knows, he keeps trying.

Whether that has been Jacques Santini, Martin Jol, Juande Ramos, Villas-Boas or Baldini, there have been too many false starts along the way. His most successful appointment of recent years, Harry Redknapp, was made in desperation to stay up. His next one? It could be Louis van Gaal or Frank de Boer or even Mauricio Pochettino and perhaps they will be the one to take Spurs to the promised land. But you would not bet on it.

To my mind, the radical decision would be to stick with Sherwood, the most off-message manager Spurs have ever had. On Friday, in another typically provocative pre-match press conference in Enfield, he pointed to the faith shown in Brendan Rodgers by Liverpool and the rewards that had yielded.

In Sherwood, Levy has a manager who won the Premier League as a player with Blackburn, ran the club’s youth system for five years and knows the club well. He is raw, but learning quickly and he can hardly expect to show the full extent of his ability if he is given just five months in the job, and no summer transfer window.

Like many British managers he has been quickly pigeon-holed by some as tactically naïve. In fact, like Rodgers, he has a way that he wants to play and he is not prepared to compromise, even if that means occasionally taking some big hits. He is also trying to impose this style on a squad he has inherited, rather than built, with all the attendant pitfalls.

It does not take much detective work to guess that Sherwood feels last summer’s £110 million investment in seven players, led by Levy and Baldini, was little short of a disaster. Aside from Christian Eriksen and Paulinho, both useful but hardly world-beaters, the net effect of the sale of Bale and others has been to send the team backwards not forward. None of the seven, of which four are injured, started the game against Chelsea.

Garth Crooks memorably described Spurs’ summer transfer business as the club having “sold Elvis and bought the Beatles”. Six months on, the Elvis part looks right, but it would appear that, rather than the Beatles, Spurs have acquired the Lighthouse Family.

The chances are that Levy will roll the dice again this summer, get rid of Sherwood and bring in another big-hitter. Laughably, Roberto Mancini has expressed an interest – one struggles to think of a manager less suited to the Levy way. It will all sound perfectly promising in theory. But what about the alternative to that cure? That would be giving Sherwood, Levy’s rebellious manager, the chance to build.

One year and one week ago to the day, Spurs beat Arsenal 2-1 at White Hart Lane to move seven points ahead of their rivals and consolidate third place. Spurs then dropped out of the top four over the last 10 games of the season and since then the net swing in points has been 13 in favour of Arsenal who have played a game fewer. Now it is Arsenal who are well-set for Champions League football next season.

Over that period, Spurs have sold their best player, spent £110 million, sacked their manager, gone some way to undermining his replacement and are still getting thumped by the top teams in the Premier League. You do not have to look too hard to work out where, to quote Sherwood again from Saturday, “it all went Pete Tong”.

After the Europa League tie with Benfica on Thursday, Spurs face the old enemy, Arsenal, at White Hart Lane on Sunday. It will be interesting to see how many of that gang of seven from the summer Sherwood calls upon in a game that could define Spurs’ season. A penny for the thoughts of Mr Levy too, who tends towards the dramatic intervention when events hit crisis-point.

His instinct in these situations is usually to seek out the kind of exotic coaching name whom he believes can transform Spurs. That is not a category in which Sherwood, from Borehamwood, just two junctions round the M25 from Enfield, scores highly. But the Spurs manager does seem to have hit upon an essential truth about his club’s current state. It is just a question of whether his chairman wants to hear it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-better-off-backing-tim-sherwood-9180281.html
 
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Wow, is that kind of content vacuum what passes for an article in that ****rag Pravda wannabe nowadays?
 
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Personally felt he made some good points.

I'm gonna say it, if we can't get Van Gaal then give Sherwood another year and then actually stick to the two years, it's not like we'll get relegated, the man knows the club from top to bottom and would make the process of implementing any gems from the academy into the first team a lot smoother.
 
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Levy has also always given the impression he believes he is one inspired appointment away from transforming Spurs from perennial also-rans into an elite Champions League club. Goodness knows, he keeps trying.

Whether that has been Jacques Santini, Martin Jol, Juande Ramos, Villas-Boas or Baldini, there have been too many false starts along the way. His most successful appointment of recent years, Harry Redknapp, was made in desperation to stay up. His next one? It could be Louis van Gaal or Frank de Boer or even Mauricio Pochettino and perhaps they will be the one to take Spurs to the promised land. But you would not bet on it.


Yuuuuuuuuuup.

I want to see Sherwood backed. Not because I don't think LVG isn't a good manager, because he is, but I don't have any faith that Levy will back him when required to see through the poor form that will inevitably come.
 
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Personally felt he made some good points.

I'm gonna say it, if we can't get Van Gaal then give Sherwood another year and then actually stick to the two years, it's not like we'll get relegated, the man knows the club from top to bottom and would make the process of implementing any gems from academy into the first team a lot smoother.

I think the main thrust was that Sherwood says good stuff after matches - that doesn't make a good manager.

He also seems to think that managers do most of their work in the transfer windows. That hasn't been the case for a long time - it's not about assembling the best team, richer ones will always beat you to it. A manager's best work is done on the training ground.

He also seems to have fallen for the British = good, lazy money-grabbing foreigner = bad trap.

5 years in charge of the youth team? Some fact checking required.

Has a way he wants to play and will not change it despite taking hits? He's floundered through a few different playing styles in his short time here already. As I said in another post, trying everything in the hope that something works is not good management.
 
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I think the main thrust was that Sherwood says good stuff after matches - that doesn't make a good manager.

He also seems to think that managers do most of their work in the transfer windows. That hasn't been the case for a long time - it's not about assembling the best team, richer ones will always beat you to it. A manager's best work is done on the training ground.

He also seems to have fallen for the British = good, lazy money-grabbing foreigner = bad trap.

5 years in charge of the youth team? Some fact checking required.

Has a way he wants to play and will not change it despite taking hits? He's floundered through a few different playing styles in his short time here already. As I said in another post, trying everything in the hope that something works is not good management.

Ok good points well made but the way I see it is Sherwood has gone into this job totally unprepared and considering the mentality within the dressing room, having too many players to choose from, a physio room that gets more packed than Studio 54 and the immediate dismissal by most of him being there beyond the summer he's actually done quite well. Also he is only four months into his managerial career, let alone his time in the Tottenham dugout so it' no surprise to him make school boys errors.

I personally think Van Gaal is the person we should be going for as we need experience but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a change of heart.
 
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Don't know where these quotes have come from but according to Sherwood Levy wasn't at the game, although that could be down to bringing back Broomfield.

Tim Sherwood fears for future as Tottenham boss but hints he could take technical director's job

Mar 09, 2014 22:53
By Martin Lipton

Action Images
Tim Sherwood: Standing alone

Tim Sherwood has laid bare his frustration at the lack of support from the Tottenham hierarchy.

Sherwood is aware of the club’s desire to install Dutch boss Louis Van Gaal as his permanent successor this summer.

And he hinted at his growing sense of disillusionment when told chairman Daniel Levy had not been at Chelsea to see the 4-0 thrashing.

“The silence is deafening isn’t it?” said Sherwood. “It’s up to Daniel. I didn’t know if he was here or not. Maybe he was travelling, I don’t know.

“It’s up to the club to make that decision. One thing I guarantee people is that no one cares more than me.

“I want the team to do very well and it hurts me when they don’t. I’m afraid I need people in that dressing room to be hurting like I am.”

Furious Sherwood branded his players “gutless” after their second half “capitulation” at Stamford Bridge, accusing many of them of being “too nice” and warning: “There’s a few I’d count on; there’s a few I wouldn’t.”

But suggestions that he should be willing to learn his trade as Van Gaal’s assistant are clearly not acceptable to the former England midfielder, although with questions over the future of sporting director Franco Baldini, the Spurs boss appeared to be angling for that role instead.

He added: “I never want to be a number two. I’d be no good as a number two. I’m too opinionated. I wouldn’t want to do the job.

“But I do think there is a place for a technical director.

“I’m someone who sees the club from the bottom to the top on the training field. There’s a definite place for that.

“A lot of clubs need people like that otherwise you get no continuity and you just end up buying seven or ten players every window and your turnover of players is too great.”

Tottenham’s season could effectively be over in the next 11 days, with Sunday’s must-win North London derby sandwiched by the two legs of their Europa League last 16 tie with Benfica.

Spurs will seek to have Younes Kaboul’s red card rescinded but lost hamstring victim Michael Dawson for two weeks and are already without Vlad Chiriches and potential stand-in Etienne Capoue.

Asked if he felt his team lacked leaders in adversity, Sherwood replied: “We lack something don’t we? It’s happening too often.

“Capitulations are happening too often to say that we are rock solid and blessed with so many characters.

“The real disappointment for me is not only another loss but the last two goals were a killer for me.

“In adversity when things go against us, that’s when we are going missing. In my opinion you have either got it in you or you haven’t.

“More and more we need stand up and be counted and sooner rather than later.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...-fears-future-tottenham-3224946#ixzz2vVjFY0KX
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I think the main thrust was that Sherwood says good stuff after matches - that doesn't make a good manager.

He also seems to think that managers do most of their work in the transfer windows. That hasn't been the case for a long time - it's not about assembling the best team, richer ones will always beat you to it. A manager's best work is done on the training ground.

He also seems to have fallen for the British = good, lazy money-grabbing foreigner = bad trap.

5 years in charge of the youth team? Some fact checking required.

Has a way he wants to play and will not change it despite taking hits? He's floundered through a few different playing styles in his short time here already. As I said in another post, trying everything in the hope that something works is not good management.

do you think that LVG, Mourinho, Pep and every other good manager was born with a good formation printed in their mind??

all these managers tried different things at lower level clubs before finding their prefered method. you dont grow unless you learn on the job. trying different things IS the way you learn, IS the way you improve, IS the way you develop a wining formula. You dont just read a training manual in pre season and then start the season and everything works out. Just as players make mistakes early on in ther career then become world class so do managers.

the only difference with TS is his learning curve is a high profile one at a top job from the off. not saying hes the best manager ever or even the right pick for us but if you cant see the fact that a) so far hes done as good as anybody would do in ther FIRST EVER job and b) he will improve then you dont know football.

when you started your career at your present job were you as good on your first day as you are now?
TS managerial career so far adds up to LESS THAN HALF A SEASON and has us 5th in the most difficult league in the world surrounded by experienced and settled managers.

what else are you expecting????
 
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Going back to the mentality at the club, one thing that ****ed me right off was seeing Freund (who I realise loves Spurs) at the end of the match with his arm around Schurrle laughing and chatting. That's not what I want to see from the assistant coach of our club.
 
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Going back to the mentality at the club, one thing that ****ed me right off was seeing Freund (who I realise loves Spurs) at the end of the match with his arm around Schurrle laughing and chatting. That's not what I want to see from the assistant coach of our club.

Well, according to the Mail he wasn't wanted by his own.

At the end, few Spurs players acknowledged their supporters and when coach Steffen Freund tried to usher Aaron Lennon towards them, Lennon pushed Freund’s arm away and stormed down the tunnel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...al-lined-Tottenham-manager.html#ixzz2vVt05V5l
 
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Doesn't surprise me in the least unfortunately. But that doesn't excuse the assistant coach cuddling up to a member of the team that just smashed his 4-0.
 
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“There’s a few of my players I’d count on, there’s a few I wouldn’t.”

That one line may lose him the dressing room. Didn't really think it at first as I was too busy agreeing with what he said after being so angry with the performance but that one line could have huge consequences and I think he should've kept it to himself.
 
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I don't mean that Harry had nothing to do with it, I'm just trying to illustrate the point that things were going well when Levy fully trusted the manager and backed him through his actions. When he was doing that, we had our most consistent few seasons in this league. I'm as annoyed as anyone about how he hitched his skirt for England and was delighted when we booted him out for AVB - I'm not really discussing that line.

Fair play. Sorry for misunderstanding.
 
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That one line may lose him the dressing room. Didn't really think it at first as I was too busy agreeing with what he said after being so angry with the performance but that one line could have huge consequences and I think he should've kept it to himself.

It's been on my mind since he said it - we just looked at each other wide eyed and said "Did he just ****ing say that?!?"
 
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We've lost 6-0 to city, 3-0 to west ****ing ham, 5-0 to Liverpool, 5-1 to city again and 4-0 to Chelsea. We are not a newly promoted side where these results can be swept under the carpet, we are supposed to be a side with champions league ambitions. What's happening repeatedly is unacceptable and Sherwood's well within his rights to publicly out them, he's got noting lose.
 
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We've lost 6-0 to city, 3-0 to west ****ing ham, 5-0 to Liverpool, 5-1 to city again and 4-0 to Chelsea. We are not a newly promoted side where these results can be swept under the carpet, we are supposed to be a side with champions league ambitions. What's happening repeatedly is unacceptable and Sherwood's well within his rights to publicly out them, he's got noting lose.

Absolutely how I feel about it.
 
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need L"big balls"VG to come in.. might last 18 mins or 18 months, but should be fun..i have honestly given up on achieving anything else.
 
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We've lost 6-0 to city, 3-0 to west ****ing ham, 5-0 to Liverpool, 5-1 to city again and 4-0 to Chelsea. We are not a newly promoted side where these results can be swept under the carpet, we are supposed to be a side with champions league ambitions. What's happening repeatedly is unacceptable and Sherwood's well within his rights to publicly out them, , he's got noting lose .

We have though. The damage he does to our dressing room could last a lot longer than his brief tenure.
 
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