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The "Why" thread

thfcsteff said:
Just to play Devil's Advocate, I disagree. It feels irrelevant to me, just like what happens or doesn't when I die. I think on a personal level, defining 'why' is far more important...

(In the spirit of debate - I think this has the makings of a good one 😉)
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You were "dead" for billions of years before you were born. What happened then?
Energy can't be destroyed (apart from in a blackhole maybe) so you were something else. Just your atoms weren't arranged in a way that your brain currently is. The brain creates thought and meaning. When that goes. It's gone. Your atoms and energy will become a part of something else.
 
Lilbaz said:
You were "dead" for billions of years before you were born. What happened then?
Energy can't be destroyed (apart from in a blackhole maybe) so you were something else. Just your atoms weren't arranged in a way that your brain currently is. The brain creates thought and meaning. When that goes. It's gone. Your atoms and energy will become a part of something else.
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I am never sure when reading your replies whether you are directly replying to what I said in a post, or simply continuing the discussion.

If continuing the discussion, I certainly wouldn't disagree with the theory, albeit I don't know; none of us do for sure.

If replying to me directly, your first line is an example of everything I was saying (and I'll answer it here). I don't know. I have no idea what I was, what my energy was, what my electrical currency interacted with, where or how. Not a clue. Not a sniff of a clue.
I have no idea what happens to my atoms, energy, electricity. I can speculate based on my own experiences of what I perceive/have perceived to be 'that', however my point stands.
I don't know.
No-one really does.
And for me, I'd rather spend my time here trying to learn about more of the things directly around me of which I am ignorant.

You might well be 'right'...Brian Cox might well be 'right'...but I am personally not bothered whatsoever by that direction of mental time-spent.
There are bees out there which help do so much for our environment, yet billions of people know fudge all about them. Do we know the true extent of how Cordyceps might be helpfulo to humankind? As we try and figure out whether there's a VIP lounge or another 'skin' when we die, do we know even 5% of how the living creatures in the world around us work? If I get to 25% awareness of those relationships it will be marvelous, and I have always tried to absorb as much as possible of that sort of knowledge.
@Nutter-Naylor posted a great quote from the Dalai Lama earlier in this thread; I'd like to repeat it because I think it is wonderful.
""Man surprised me most about humanity.Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived"
 
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thfcsteff said:
I am never sure when reading your replies whether you are directly replying to what I said in a post, or simply continuing the discussion.

If continuing the discussion, I certainly wouldn't disagree with the theory, albeit I don't know; none of us do for sure.

If replying to me directly, your first line is an example of everything I was saying (and I'll answer it here). I don't know. I have no idea what I was, what my energy was, what my electrical currency interacted with, where or how. Not a clue. Not a sniff of a clue.
I have no idea what happens to my atoms, energy, electricity. I can speculate based on my own experiences of what I perceive/have perceived to be 'that', however my point stands.
I don't know.
No-one really does.
And for me, I'd rather spend my time here trying to learn about more of the things directly around me of which I am ignorant.

You might well be 'right'...Brian Cox might well be 'right'...but I am personally not bothered whatsoever by that direction of mental time-spent.
There are bees out there which help do so much for our environment, yet billions of people know fudge all about them. Do we know the true extent of how Cordyceps might be helpfulo to humankind? As we try and figure out whether there's a VIP lounge or another 'skin' when we die, do we know even 5% of how the living creatures in the world around us work? If I get to 25% awareness of those relationships it will be marvelous, and I have always tried to absorb as much as possible of that sort of knowledge.
@Nutter-Naylor posted a great quote from the Dalai Lama earlier in this thread; I'd like to repeat it because I think it is wonderful.
""Man surprised me most about humanity.Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived"
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Continuing discussion. It's not a private chat.

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Lilbaz said:
Continuing discussion. It's not a private chat.
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No it isn't. But your reply could equally have been contrued as you "declaring" directly to me. I was clarifying that specific point. If discussing as a theory, great. If you're 'telling' me, that becomes a different thing...anyway...onwards...
 
thfcsteff said:
No it isn't. But your reply could equally have been contrued as you "declaring" directly to me. I was clarifying that specific point. If discussing as a theory, great. If you're 'telling' me, that becomes a different thing...anyway...onwards...
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You raised a point about dying. I shared my thoughts. That's it.

I tinkled you off at some point. Ok. I'm sorry. I'll share my thoughts. Might regret them when i sober up but i try not to be personal.

Not saying you were.
 
Lilbaz said:
You raised a point about dying. I shared my thoughts. That's it.

I tinkled you off at some point. Ok. I'm sorry. I'll share my thoughts. Might regret them when i sober up but i try not to be personal.

Not saying you were.
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All good, and no, you didn't tinkle me off, I just wanted to clarify as we all 'write' differently and all speak differently. I enjoy your opinions and views. Very interested in your thoughts and (as ever) appreciate the conversation...BTW, pour me one please, neat!!!!!
 
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