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The Spanish Football Thread

P.D. said:
Apparently the amortization due on some of those players is huge e.g. Pjanic signed last year on a 4 year deal for 60m so it would be 45m.

And their wages are so high that no one wants them, they'd have to pay them off - I believe Griezmann is on 600K a week.
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Amortization just means the cost of the purchase is spread over the length of the contract. If they sell him, or he leaves on a free transfer it goes away.

It's why they did the deal with juve in the first place. They "sold" arthur to juve for €65m. Juve "sold" pjanic to barca for €50m. That meant that for accounting purposes barca got €65m and juve got €45m. When in reality only €15m swapped hands. Because it is amortised over say a 5 year contract barca only "spent" €10m on pjanic the season they got him. Leaving them €55m up for that season. Problem is for the next 4 years they still have to "pay" €10m a season in amortisation.

It' a quick fix to balance the books.
 
Lilbaz said:
This messi thing seems strange to me. Barca could have cut wages in other ways. Loan/sell out a few players like griezman, pjanic and coutinho. But they announce messi leaving in the middle of the transfer window?

Seems like a threat to la liga, don't adjust the salary cap the biggest star goes abroad. The tv rights are up for sale in september. Will la liga cave though? If they bend the rules for barca then any club that breaks them can appeal any punishment to the cas and will most likely win. Tebas has previously said he won't break the rules for messi.

Can see this lasting a while.
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You can't cut wages in other ways if one guy is 60% of your wage bill. He's gone, this isn't a threat, he will go to PSG.

Barca was fudged pre-Covid, it's just gotten worse, and it's the perfect example of why you never want someone running a club as a popularity contest

Barca could have sold Messi last summer to City, got paid for it, save a year of wages and a huge loyalty payment, they would now be 250-300M better off with no worse results on the pitch. Instead you have people in charge who so didn't want to be the ones who sold Messi they have put the club into a fudging spiral that will take quite a bit to recover from.
 
Lilbaz said:
Amortization just means the cost of the purchase is spread over the length of the contract. If they sell him, or he leaves on a free transfer it goes away.

It's why they did the deal with juve in the first place. They "sold" arthur to juve for €65m. Juve "sold" pjanic to barca for €50m. That meant that for accounting purposes barca got €65m and juve got €45m. When in reality only €15m swapped hands. Because it is amortised over say a 5 year contract barca only "spent" €10m on pjanic the season they got him. Leaving them €55m up for that season. Problem is for the next 4 years they still have to "pay" €10m a season in amortisation.

It' a quick fix to balance the books.
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Yes but the wage bill limits in Spain are calculated on the teams finances so although they'd reduce their wage bill they'd take a massive hit on their books which in turns affects their wage bill limit. In the longer term it may well be better to take the hit but they still need to find clubs to take the wages off their books.

I expect there will be some bargains nearer the end of the window.
 
glasgowspur said:
Messi, i did everything i could to stay.
No you didn't, you could play for free, how much money do you need?
How many hundred million is he worth?
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This. Or at least, I can play for what you can afford.
It surely must dawn on players, clubs and the entire football family, that this cannot continue. When the biggest clubs are close to bankruptcy because of player salaries and transfer fees. We're already above the limits in terms of ticket prices and TV deals.
It's not even remotely sustainable. I think there needs to be restrictions and salary caps, but it needs to be globally, otherwise it won't work.
 
Kandi1977 said:
This. Or at least, I can play for what you can afford.
It surely must dawn on players, clubs and the entire football family, that this cannot continue. When the biggest clubs are close to bankruptcy because of player salaries and transfer fees. We're already above the limits in terms of ticket prices and TV deals.
It's not even remotely sustainable. I think there needs to be restrictions and salary caps, but it needs to be globally, otherwise it won't work.
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Problem is the actual boom and bust cycle that should be happening acros the board is prevented because of the artificial injection of non football generated cash. Obviously I’m referring to the dopers but Madrid had some extra help in the past.
 
MKSpur said:
Problem is the actual boom and bust cycle that should be happening acros the board is prevented because of the artificial injection of non football generated cash. Obviously I’m referring to the dopers but Madrid had some extra help in the past.
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The perception some clubs are institutions and are too big to be allowed to fail has a lot to answer for.
Madrid
Barca
Utd
Liverpool
Bayern
Juve
Are almost a protected species.
 
glasgowspur said:
Messi, i did everything i could to stay.
No you didn't, you could play for free, how much money do you need?
How many hundred million is he worth?
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the lack of self awareness (or giving a brick) on that fudger is unbelievable.

Barca is a disaster, the club has been hostage to his whims for years, "normal crazy" wages are 500/600K a week (e.g. Ronaldo, Bale, Naymar), this guy has been earning double that plus bonuses for years in a Barca team that has gotten progressively worse on the pitch.
 
Let's treat this as it is. If the premier league had the same rules as la liga. The majority of clubs would be in the same situation as barca. Having to sell before they could register new players. They also have owners that can clear the debts. Or sell them to someone that can. Which obviously barca can't do.

I would love it if we brought la liga rules into the prem.
 
Raziel said:
the lack of self awareness (or giving a brick) on that fudger is unbelievable.

Barca is a disaster, the club has been hostage to his whims for years, "normal crazy" wages are 500/600K a week (e.g. Ronaldo, Bale, Naymar), this guy has been earning double that plus bonuses for years in a Barca team that has gotten progressively worse on the pitch.
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I think his influence over coaching changes has been a negative too.
 
Baleforce said:
I think his influence over coaching changes has been a negative too.
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Lets not make out that messi wasn't good for barca. He helped them become the highest earning club in the world. 10 la ligas, 4 champions leagues. Numerous cups.
He wasn't in charge of the finances. La liga rules or covid.
 
Lilbaz said:
Lets not make out that messi wasn't good for barca. He helped them become the highest earning club in the world. 10 la ligas, 4 champions leagues. Numerous cups.
He wasn't in charge of the finances. La liga rules or covid.
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absolutely, but they may have had more success had the handled certain things differently
 
Lilbaz said:
Lets not make out that messi wasn't good for barca. He helped them become the highest earning club in the world. 10 la ligas, 4 champions leagues. Numerous cups.
He wasn't in charge of the finances. La liga rules or covid.
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the problem with that is

- Barca was always a top global club and in top 2 in Spain before Messi (they have 74+ major honors)
- Barca would compete for La Liga with or without Messi
- 3 out of the 4 CL's came more than a decade ago.

No question Messi was great for Barca, the issue came when they started putting the club at risk just to appease him, especially while his ability didn't wane, somehow his ability to make an impact the biggest prices seemed to diminish.
 
Raziel said:
the problem with that is

- Barca was always a top global club and in top 2 in Spain before Messi (they have 74+ major honors)
- Barca would compete for La Liga with or without Messi
- 3 out of the 4 CL's came more than a decade ago.

No question Messi was great for Barca, the issue came when they started putting the club at risk just to appease him, especially while his ability didn't wane, somehow his ability to make an impact the biggest prices seemed to diminish.
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What barca did is no different to what everton, villa, city, chelsea are doing or have done. The difference is that la liga have salary caps and barca don't have rich owners to bail them out.
Did messi tell barca to spend £300m on dembele and coutinho? Another £100m on griezman?
The people in charge of barca have to take the responsibility. Messi is in charge of himself and his career, not barcelonas finances. If they could not afford his wages they say no. Or they could take the deal from cvc.
 
Simon jordan puts the situation into perspective. Although he doesn't mention barca have already restructured their debt or the offer from cvc which would be the end of the esl as it would tie barca and madrid in for 40 years.

 
Lilbaz said:
What barca did is no different to what everton, villa, city, chelsea are doing or have done. The difference is that la liga have salary caps and barca don't have rich owners to bail them out.
Did messi tell barca to spend £300m on dembele and coutinho? Another £100m on griezman?
The people in charge of barca have to take the responsibility. Messi is in charge of himself and his career, not barcelonas finances. If they could not afford his wages they say no. Or they could take the deal from cvc.
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Messi has had say on both player transfers (see how he supposedly put Romero into his contract renewal ask) and manager selection.

Barca has elected officials, I think you are being extremely naïve if you don't think he has had extreme levels of influence that has led the team down this path. If he had said I'm leaving if this president doesn't do "this", it would effectively be a job death sentence to disagree.

A huge part of their current issue is they did not sell Messi a couple of years ago, and kept buying players they couldn't afford to appease him of their "ambition"
 
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