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The Overlap - some interesting comments from Ange

thfcsteff said:
I just wish I could get past the fact so many people seem to want to f uck this achievement off, and refuse to give the manager any credit. In fact, I am seeing that the latest ‘Ange line’ involves him being somewhat ‘responsible’ for our current situation! Incredible!
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From what I'm reading Steff, people aren't doing that. They are grateful for the win while at the same time acknowledging the context of it, and arguing against the notion that Ange suddenly made us into "winners." Add to that the incongruence of 2 years of poor league form which started with Ange (and not just with TF) I'm not surprised we are where we are.
 
Robspur12 said:
From what I'm reading Steff, people aren't doing that. They are grateful for the win while at the same time acknowledging the context of it, and arguing against the notion that Ange suddenly made us into "winners." Add to that the incongruence of 2 years of poor league form which started with Ange (and not just with TF) I'm not surprised we are where we are.
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OK mate…I had a long reply written, but I realised I’m done with this thread TBH because it has become pointless IMO…if that’s what you see, then who am I to argue? No-one. But I will sign off by saying he did ‘suddenly’ make us into ‘winners’ because we rather unbelievably won the Europa League trophy. That’s not an opinion, it is a fact.
 
Robspur12 said:
From what I'm reading Steff, people aren't doing that. They are grateful for the win while at the same time acknowledging the context of it, and arguing against the notion that Ange suddenly made us into "winners." Add to that the incongruence of 2 years of poor league form which started with Ange (and not just with TF) I'm not surprised we are where we are.
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Yup, an elite manager knows that the league campaign should be their primary focus and if they can keep the team winning most weeks then picking up some silverware should be the corollary of that.

Hence why, despite not actually winning any trophies, Pochettino will continue to be held in higher regard than Postecoglou or Ramos even though each gave us a memorable cup win.

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If you're gonna credit Ange with making us winners you have to credit him for taking us to the wrong end of the table - this season is a case in point as to why many of us were so focused on the '17th' of last season - we were dragged to the bottom four, haven't been able to get ourselves out of it and are now staring relegation in the face.
 
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