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Declan Rice has to be one of the most over priced over hyped CM in PL history, no doubt a good player but for the money paid by Arsenal and the return in that time, na not worth it for me.

I watched yesterday and he was also walking cement, looked a carthorse (not saying he is, but he looked it yesterday)
 
Robspur12 said:
I've said it before, Iraola is going to end up at a top club. I am obviously behind RDZ but I am fairly certain Iraola would have been brilliant for building a dynasty here at Spurs. For one, he has shown time and time again how to adapt to losing your best players and shown our managers how to beat Arse home and away. I think we will regret missing out on him
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Like people said about Frank once he moves to a big club.

He hasn't had to juggle European football, let's see how he does with that and expectations at a bigger club. Some swim, plenty sink.....
 
Robspur12 said:
I've said it before, Iraola is going to end up at a top club. I am obviously behind RDZ but I am fairly certain Iraola would have been brilliant for building a dynasty here at Spurs. For one, he has shown time and time again how to adapt to losing your best players and shown our managers how to beat Arse home and away. I think we will regret missing out on him
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The issue he will have is time, his style needs almost universal change and buy in, its a unique style, a bad run or time to bed that style in the fans of a bigger club will be foaming at the mouth, you have to have the stomach for it. I long suspected we don't have that as a club, let alone a really big club
 
harr1984 said:
Like people said about Frank once he moves to a big club.

He hasn't had to juggle European football, let's see how he does with that and expectations at a bigger club. Some swim, plenty sink.....
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He hasn’t
Big he has genuinely managed in two proper countries which is a big difference to Frank
If you only go for managers who have a managed in Europe… you limit your pool on managers on the upwards curve imo
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
The issue he will have is time, his style needs almost universal change and buy in, its a unique style, a bad run or time to bed that style in the fans of a bigger club will be foaming at the mouth, you have to have the stomach for it. I long suspected we don't have that as a club, let alone a really big club
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Yep a little patience is needed but judging how quickly he brings players in and they adapt to his style I don't think he needs that much time to bed in. They sold practically their entire defence at the start of the season, I think only Sensei is left, yet yesterday they looked pretty solid defending against "Set Piece FC." He lost Semenyo in January but seems to have found these 2 stars in Croupi and Rayan who've replaced him almost seamlessly. A couple of seasons ago they lost their top scorer and replaced him in a heartbeat.

For me the biggest challenge he will face at Spurs is that our recruitment team is not remotely as good as Bournemouth's

harr1984 said:
Like people said about Frank once he moves to a big club.

He hasn't had to juggle European football, let's see how he does with that and expectations at a bigger club. Some swim, plenty sink.....
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He might need a season to recalibrate but tbh the way we have been playing in the League over the last 2 seasons compared to Europe, European football is the least of our worries. I think he knows the PL well enough to overcome that issue. And as @Bedfordspurs says, he has managed in Europe too which is a good starting point. I think this guy is Poch-esque without actually being Poch.
 
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Robspur12 said:
Yep a little patience is needed but judging how quickly he brings players in and they adapt to his style I don't think he needs that much time to bed in. They sold practically their entire defence at the start of the season, I think only Sensei is left, yet yesterday they looked pretty solid defending against "Set Piece FC." He lost Semenyo in January but seems to have found these 2 stars in Croupier and Rayan who've replaced him almost seamlessly. A couple of seasons ago they lost their top scorer and replaced him in a heartbeat.
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Yeh I respect what he has done, we both do by the sounds of it, I just don't think the sentiment we both rightfully place on his work gets him a pass here or somewhere else. Its a part I hate about us and the PL in general, how transient and ridiculous the league is now for managers.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Yeh I respect what he has done, we both do by the sounds of it, I just don't think the sentiment we both rightfully place on his work gets him a pass here or somewhere else. Its a part I hate about us and the PL in general, how transient and ridiculous the league is now for managers.
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Players cost more and there are more of them
So by that nature if something is wrong you change the part of least resistance/cost
As we know… changing players is harder than changing managers
 
Robspur12 said:
Yep a little patience is needed but judging how quickly he brings players in and they adapt to his style I don't think he needs that much time to bed in. They sold practically their entire defence at the start of the season, I think only Sensei is left, yet yesterday they looked pretty solid defending against "Set Piece FC." He lost Semenyo in January but seems to have found these 2 stars in Croupier and Rayan who've replaced him almost seamlessly. A couple of seasons ago they lost their top scorer and replaced him in a heartbeat.

For me the biggest challenge he will face at Spurs is that our recruitment team is not remotely as good as Bournemouth's


He might need a season to recalibrate but tbh the way we have been playing in the League over the last 2 seasons compared to Europe, European football is the least of our worries. I think he knows the PL well enough to overcome that issue. And as @Bedfordspurs says, he has managed in Europe too which is a good starting point. I think this guy is Poch-esque without actually being Poch.
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Yeah I like him, you never know until you try. But it's far from a foregone conclusion he would do well here. They're in 10th with no Europe, it's nothing we have seen with smaller clubs before. And in regards to yesterday they hadn't had a game for 3 weeks whilst the Goons have been playing constantly - they were sharper and it showed.

I don't think he's any likelier to succeed here than De Zerbi tbh....
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Players cost more and there are more of them
So by that nature if something is wrong you change the part of least resistance/cost
As we know… changing players is harder than changing managers
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There is an argument to not change either as quickly as is now being done. The whole support and sphere of the PL is overly reactionary, a player is either "the best since" within half a dozen games or "clearly not good enough" in the same time frame, for their journey to pan about differently over time. The point I am making is even without the need for change fans lose their bottle far too early, esp in big clubs, thats why many get stuck in flux.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
There is an argument to not change either as quickly as is now being done. The whole support and sphere of the PL is overly reactionary, a player is either "the best since" within half a dozen games or "clearly not good enough" in the same time frame, for their journey to pan about differently over time. The point I am making is even without the need for change fans lose their bottle far too early, esp in big clubs, thats why many get stuck in flux.
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Pressure mounts
Expectation haplebs
And of course ££
The latter is all they care about
 
Btw despite my "love" of Iraola, IMHO, RDZ is a really good coach. Getting Brighton into Europe was a phenomenal achievement and they played exciting football too. He's the first good appointment made by the board. My issue is, he is combustible and is probably not here for more than 2 seasons whereas Iraola would be more Poch like.

But tbh no matter how good as coaches RDZ and Iraola are, their main obstacles at Spurs are things that may be out of their control. We need to find the right players for their systems and we need to look at why we are getting so many people injuries.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Declan Rice has to be one of the most over priced over hyped CM in PL history, no doubt a good player but for the money paid by Arsenal and the return in that time, na not worth it for me.

I watched yesterday and he was also walking cement, looked a carthorse (not saying he is, but he looked it yesterday)
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He's a downgrade on Partey
 
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