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The Goon Thread

When a cycle ends, its gradual. It's been happening for 4/5 years or so and with the improvements we've made along with the impact City have on the league along with Chelsea/Utd/Liverpool in various stages of transition - the Prem is in a state of flux and Arsenal are being showing up as a normal side. Decent team on their day, much like we were decent a few seasons ago when people didn't think we were quite good enough for CL. They are in that position now. Not completely writing them off, but the delusions Wenger has crafted over the years (him, his players, the fans) is making it worse for all concerned there.

Can actually see them losing another 4/5 games.

So actually, yes I am writing them off.
 
totman said:
"I am confident we will get into the top four," the Polish keeper told Arsenal's official website. "We don't deserve to be outside the top four."

Why's that then?
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Because after years of laughing at us for doing so they are currently living in the past
 
I had an argument with some gooner that used to go school with me. He is probably one of the most deluded one's (even more so than the average gooner!). He was asking how we were doing in the champions league this year, to which i reminded him we had gone 1 step further than them in our only appearance and that they qualified from a tinkle-easy group, congratulations. He then said to me 'typical spurs fan always looking at the past'. Now that got me. Pot Kettle Black spring to mind. Every arsenal fan this season when confronted that we are 10 ahead or they haven't been above us nearly all season always point back to 'but we've won the league, been in champions league for ages etc'. Makes me laugh. They are the one's who are now holding on to the past, to any little glimmer of winning and success. I wish they would admit the tides are changing.
 
Cal_Yido said:
I had an argument with some gooner that used to go school with me. He is probably one of the most deluded one's (even more so than the average gooner!). He was asking how we were doing in the champions league this year, to which i reminded him we had gone 1 step further than them in our only appearance and that they qualified from a tinkle-easy group, congratulations. He then said to me 'typical spurs fan always looking at the past'. Now that got me. Pot Kettle Black spring to mind. Every arsenal fan this season when confronted that we are 10 ahead or they haven't been above us nearly all season always point back to 'but we've won the league, been in champions league for ages etc'. Makes me laugh. They are the one's who are now holding on to the past, to any little glimmer of winning and success. I wish they would admit the tides are changing.
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The past? As in last season??

Ask him how they are doing in the the PL then..and remind him that St Totteringhams Day is all completely based on the past. So, as it stands, he admits we are the better team.
 
totman said:
The past? As in last season??

Ask him how they are doing in the the PL then..and remind him that St Totteringhams Day is all completely based on the past. So, as it stands, he admits we are the better team.
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I really hope we don't fudge up this season so we can start St. Arseholes Day.
 
spooky said:
When a cycle ends, its gradual. It's been happening for 4/5 years or so and with the improvements we've made along with the impact City have on the league along with Chelsea/Utd/Liverpool in various stages of transition - the Prem is in a state of flux and Arsenal are being showing up as a normal side. Decent team on their day, much like we were decent a few seasons ago when people didn't think we were quite good enough for CL. They are in that position now. Not completely writing them off, but the delusions Wenger has crafted over the years (him, his players, the fans) is making it worse for all concerned there.

Can actually see them losing another 4/5 games.

So actually, yes I am writing them off.
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Exactly how i've summed up Arsenal when seeing them on the TV (and at the lane) this season. They are very similar to what we were when looking to break the top4. Flatter to deceive, liable to mess games up from winning positions, unreliable defence, reliance on individuals, head scratching inconsistency. Thinking about it they are probably behind the team Jol was in charge of.

I seriously question how strong their team spirit is.
Imo Wenger is on the slide, psychologically he now overrates his team, leading to blind spots when needing to improve. Can't pick a good defender/keeper for toffee.
Keeps losing star players and never replaces them. This will continue with RVP.
Arsenal use to dominate games, (or long periods of), with fantastic possession football even if they occasionally overplayed it, they still controlled games. Now when i watch it is just a typical too and fro game with arsenal still showing glimpses of quality but equally massive vulnerability at the back.
That feeling of the inevitable goal is about to come has gone.

They were lucky that they had the perfect manager to see them thru the financiall hardship of a new stadium build, being a great developer of young players and playing a set style/system that was greater than the sum of its parts. Why is it fading? i really do think its wenger and his stubbornness combined with that old timers characteristic of resisting change.
They are on a downward curve and it hasn't finished yet. Remember they are where they are in the league WITH rvp, when has he ever had an injury free season? And the odds must be short on them finishing outside the top4 and rvp going.
Luckily (for us) wenger is vastly in credit with the goons and it could take a long time for that credit to run out. Happy days.
 
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Arsenal have only themselves to blame for their current backwards-motion:

They were like a homeowner with a small leak in a roof. Something that if sorted out first time would have been quick and easy to fix (say ?ú500 random figure for arguments sake). But when they kept postponing the work until they get a big win on the lottery/big windfall etc the smal leak turns into a big leak and the damp and further damage is entrenched in the upper part of the house: rectifying now costs tens of thousands minimum. And the workmen you ask for quotes nows you are desperate, so charge you high prices which you have to go for as you have no choice.

So Arsenal were in a position to sort out some small-ish issues in their squad but neglected to buy one or two more experienced players when their stock was high (and perhaps players would have happily taken slightly less money to play for them), but for years they couldn't bring themselves to pay an extra Million hear or there (e.g. Schwarzer, reina) and lo and behold they will probably have to break their bank this January to save themselves from finishing outside the top 4.

This is why we HAVE to capitalise and not just finish above them, but in the top 4 (3!) places whilst they only qualify for EL (if that); then some of their traditional targets will now look at joining us instead (a la Emmanuel Petit).

COYS
 
http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine...een-including-ronaldo-toure-reina-and-kompany


Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger seems as reluctant as ever to spend some cash this transfer window, which has left Gunners fans wondering if they have the players capable of avoiding the ignominy of not only finishing below Tottenham, but possibly out of the Champions League spots, too. The stubborn Frenchman has missed out on loads of top players over the years, seemingly either reluctant to pay a couple of million pounds more, or because he's failed to spot potential. Here, talkSPORT has created a team of players Arsenal have come close to signing, without sealing the deal, during the Wenger era - and we don't think this side would lose to Swansea…

PEPE REINA
The 'keeper revealed that he nearly joined the Gunners in 2010, when Liverpool were in grave financial danger under the ownership of Gillett and Hicks. The Spaniard had asked to speak to Wenger about their proposed ?ú20million bid, but was stopped by the Reds board as they desperately tried to prevent the club looking like it was in a free-fall. Could Wenger have pushed harder to secure a number one who's been one of the best in Europe over the past seven or eight years.

Phil Jones
The Gunners were in for the talented defender, but wouldn't match the wages Man United were prepared to offer - how useful would he be to Arsenal at the moment given their injury crisis?

CHRIS SAMBA
The Blackburn defender claimed he nearly joined Arsenal last summer, saying: "I think a move to Arsenal was very close in January but that is life. You have to continue."

Vincent Kompany
The Emirates Marketing Project captain joined Bundesliga side Hamburg in 2006 and after the deal went through, the Belgian international's agent revealed: 'Wenger made it clear that he wanted to sign Kompany to replace Sol Campbell, if he would leave the English giants.''

JOSE ENRIQUE
Arsenal contacted Saudi Sportswashing Machine about buying Enrique last summer and the player was a keen on a move to London to play Champions League football, but Liverpool swooped for the Spaniard in a deal worth ?ú5million. Enrique has since been one of the Premier League's stand-out performers and Arsenal still haven't got a fit left-back.

YAYA TOURE
There are pictures of Yaya in an Arsenal shirt as the tough midfielder played for the Gunners in a pre-season friendly in 2003. Now, Arsene Wenger has admitted he was wrong to dismiss the Ivory Coast international, concluding: "The only problem was to fix him into a position because he can play everywhere. He can play centre-back, as a second striker, as a midfielder and for a long time we didn’t know where to play him.”

Owen Hargreaves
Wenger admitted he pondered over a move for Hargreaves last summer, before the defensive midfielder moved to Emirates Marketing Project. The Arsenal boss also considered buying the injury-prone former England international in 2007, before his move to Man United, but didn't believe the ?ú17million price tag offered value for money (he was probably right, but then Hargreaves was a key part of United's Champions League and Premier League double in 2008).

CRISTIANO RONALDO
The Real Madrid forward revealed he very nearly signed or Arsenal in 2003 after having multiple meetings with Arsene Wenger. Ronaldo said: “It’s true. I was an inch away from signing for Arsenal. I saw Arsene Wenger three times with my mother. It was very close to being a done deal. After I signed for United, she and I were sitting watching a Premier League game on television and she yelled out, ‘I know that guy – I liked him.’"

Juan Mata
The talented Spanish midfielder was all set to join Arsenal last summer, only for the Gunners to refuse to stump up the ?ú18million needed because they had yet to receive the money from the sale of Cesc Fabregas. Chelsea took full advantage of the Gunners dilly-dallying and the former Valencia star has impressed all season for the Blues.

ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIC
In his recent autobiography AC Milan striker Ibrahimovic revealed he had a meeting with Arsene Wenger 10 years ago, after being invited to train with Arsenal while at his Swedish club Malmo. “I shuddered a bit at Wenger’s eyes, he tried to, like, see through me or find out who I was deep down," recalled Zlat. "He is a guy who takes up psychological profiles of the players. Are they emotional and stable — stuff like that. He is careful, as are all great coaches. I just sat quietly and was shy but after a while I lost my patience. Something with Wenger provoked me. He flew up from time to time and checked who was outside his window. He seemed to have total track." After this meeting the Gunners asked the volatile forward to play in a trial game, which he refused, subsequently going on to join Ajax instead.

Didier Drogba
Somehow, Arsene Wenger didn't spot the Chelsea hit-man's talent and missed out on the chance to sign Drogba for just ?ú100,000, Wenger said: "We watched him carefully when he was at Le Mans, it was not only us who watched him. But we felt he might not be completely ready. It was a mistake but, when you are in football, everyone can understand. We had Thierry Henry. We said we would follow Drogba's progress. We never ruled him out."
 
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