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The glorious march to CL qualification

NaijaSpurs said:
What is the point of striving to win our remaining league matches if when we qualify for the CL we are going to bitch about playing too many matches?
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Money. CL is worth about £65m, Europa League is worth about £5m. We need this money. It also means we get a better stadium sponsor deal, better players attracted etc.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
there is no point entering it if we ain’t thinking we can win it
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Money. We don't have to win it, we have to get to the knockouts and make £65m whilst the Goons labour in the EL and make £5m. That is a £120m swing in fortune. £120m. Or £100m if I'm out with my estimates. Then factor in the stadium sponsorship. A huge lump of the stadium paid off.
 
the dza said:
I was expecting defeat in this game today, I was just phucked off by it because we really could have won the game and certainly should not have lost it, but for some idiotic play at the end and bad finishing throughout.

HOWEVER

our next 5 league games:

palace (h)
huddersfield (h)
Emirates Marketing Project (a)
brighton (h)
west ham (h)

I think we saw enough positives in today's performance, coupled with our home results so far this season, to suggest we can get 4 out of 5 wins there. 12 points. That puts us on 73 points with 2 games to go.

Let's say the goons win tomorrow. After that, their next 5 games are:

everton (a)
watford (a)
palace (h)
wolves (a)
leicester (a)

Arsenal are terrible away from home. Win tomorrow puts them 2 ahead of us on 63 points. But from these 5 games, I'm gonna be generous and say they will win 1 of the away games, beat palace, 2 draws and 1 defeat. 8 additional points gives them 71 points with 2 games to go.

Utd, level on points with us currently. Next 5:

wolves (a)
west ham (h)
everton (a)
city (h)
chelsea (h)

I think they will beat w.ham and chelsea, draw with City and get 4 points from the 2 away games. And I think that's quite generous to be honest, they have been very lucky recently and could easily lose both those away games. But, being generous, I put them on 72 points with 2 games to go.

Chelsea -- 1 point behind us currently. Next 5:

brighton (h)
west ham (h)
liverpool (a)
burnley (h)
utd (a)

I give them 3 home wins and 2 away defeats, which would put them on 69 points. Maybe they could get a point at Utd, I don't see them getting anything at Anfield.

So, imo, it will look something like this, with 2 games to go:

Spurs 73 points, Utd 72 points, goons 71 points, Chelsea 69 points.

And then we go away to Bournemouth and finish at home to Everton. IMO, a win v Everton will end up being enough for top 4.

TL;DR -- win our home games and we will finish in the top 4.
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I'll keep bumping this for the next few fixtures. As much as I thought the goons would lose tonight (and they should lose with the performance they put on), I gave them 1 away win from the away games at Everton, Leicester, Wolves and Watford, with 1 loss and 2 draw. They got the loss at Everton and the win at Watford. With how they are playing away, they will do well to get the 2 draws at Wolves and Leicester imo, which is what I put them down for initially.

Chelsea got an expected loss at Anfield. Not much to say on that one.

Utd got an expected home win v West Ham, but they were incredibly lucky to get it. They looks to be playing the worst football of all the teams going for 3rd/4th, they are struggling.

In short, things are still on track for the 'win our home games and get Champions League" scenario. Keep that in mind if we lose to City away in the league game.
 
Bullet said:
Money. CL is worth about £65m, Europa League is worth about £5m. We need this money. It also means we get a better stadium sponsor deal, better players attracted etc.
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Should that not be the reason why we should not complain about being in the CL in the first place
 
NaijaSpurs said:
Should that not be the reason why we should not complain about being in the CL in the first place
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Nobody is complaining about being in the CL.
They are just making the point it is absolutely VITAL that we make CL next year, ahead of Cheats and Goons.

You said "What is the point of striving to win our remaining league matches if when we qualify for the CL we are going to bitch about playing too many matches?"
We are striving to win the league matches because it is super vital we make CL.... if we make the QF or SF or Final of the CL it is great fun, but financially it is not as vital as making the CL next year.
 
the dza said:
I'll keep bumping this for the next few fixtures. As much as I thought the goons would lose tonight (and they should lose with the performance they put on), I gave them 1 away win from the away games at Everton, Leicester, Wolves and Watford, with 1 loss and 2 draw. They got the loss at Everton and the win at Watford. With how they are playing away, they will do well to get the 2 draws at Wolves and Leicester imo, which is what I put them down for initially.

Chelsea got an expected loss at Anfield. Not much to say on that one.

Utd got an expected home win v West Ham, but they were incredibly lucky to get it. They looks to be playing the worst football of all the teams going for 3rd/4th, they are struggling.

In short, things are still on track for the 'win our home games and get Champions League" scenario. Keep that in mind if we lose to City away in the league game.
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Good post and the last paragraph is especially relevant. We will get a point at best on Saturday. If we do, things will tighten up but we are in the box seat here. Let’s not panic. Win our home games and throw in something at Bournemouth and we’ll make it.

We’ll win the CL anyway so coming top 4 is only to keep out Arsenal and/or Chelsea:)
 
DeanoAustin said:
Good post and the last paragraph is especially relevant. We will get a point at best on Saturday. If we do, things will tighten up but we are in the box seat here. Let’s not panic. Win our home games and throw in something at Bournemouth and we’ll make it.

We’ll win the CL anyway so coming top 4 is only to keep out Arsenal and/or Chelsea:)
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Yep....on balance of probability we lose at City on Saturday, Woolwich will beat Palace Sunday and Chelsea beat Burnley on Monday meaning we'll be in 5th place by the time we kick off v Brighton on Tuesday evening.
 
harr1984 said:
Why does it have to be either or? Why would progressing in the CL mean we drop points in the League? Our squad has coped with the CL all season, we are still third after having a tough group, Dortmund and now City and all after our players being involved deep into the World Cup. We have demonstrated over Pochs' tenure that having to balance CL and the League isnt an issue for us.
You really think two extra games in a CL semi final means we are all of a sudden more likely to lose at home to the likes of Brighton and West Ham? I dont....
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Jeeeeez it was called a hypothetical. You know, pub chat, silly scenarios, create a debate etc etc. Just run with it.

But to answer your second point...I didn't say we'd lose. But I do believe with the current injuries we have and the fact we're at the end of a very hectic season for a squad who've already seemed to suffer from World Cup fatigue, that we risk dropping points by fielding weaker 11's in the league in order to stay fresh for CL. I can see a draw coming in a game we should win on paper.
I also was quoting the Bournemouth away game, not Brighton which will be unaffected by any CL semi final tie.
 
Bullet said:
Money. We don't have to win it, we have to get to the knockouts and make £65m whilst the Goons labour in the EL and make £5m. That is a £120m swing in fortune. £120m. Or £100m if I'm out with my estimates. Then factor in the stadium sponsorship. A huge lump of the stadium paid off.
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I think the disparity between the CL and the Europa has somewhat narrowed in recent years..... ironically since we started to compete in the former and Arsenal the latter.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think the disparity between the CL and the Europa has somewhat narrowed in recent years..... ironically since we started to compete in the former and Arsenal the latter.
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The Goons earned about €30m less reaching the Europa League semi-final last season than they did from Last 16 in Champions League the previous year, so still nearly a Sissoko per season’s difference between the 2 comps!

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These figures make a mockery of FFP. City, Liverpool etc spend hundreds of millions on transfers let alone wages which simply doesn't stack up when the tv money only totals a max of 80m Euros.
 
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