The FA/Rules and Laws thread

[Jurgen the German]

Didn't want to bump the Torres thread as I can't stand the guy. But they are talking about the Torres incident from last Saturday.

The NHL are great when it comes to rule changes and often change rules DURING THE SEASON if they see perceived injustices or flaws in certain rules of the game. Why can't the FA do this? They change rules at the end of the season but why wait if certain things are not working?

It's ******** that they can't do anything if the ref or linesman sees an incident, so basically the officials are always right.

Also feel free to have a pop at the FA in this thread for whatever reason besides last week's Chelsea game.

 

[THFC6061]

The FA can be quick to change the rules when they want to.

A Spurs player (Fanny Waldon?) once took a corner and dribbled the ball into the next.

According to the laws of the game, this was perfectly legal but no-one had thought of it before.

The next week, the FA changed the rules to prevent this.

Many years later, there was the Coventry City Willie Carr & Ernie Hunt free-kick routine, which was outlawed just days later.

 

[jts1882]

The FA don't set the rules. It's FIFA or more specifically the IFAB.

There was a case, quite a while ago when England were bidding against Germany for the World Cup, where the FA rescinded some red or yellow card and FIFA objected on the grounds the referees decision is final (unless he says he was wrong or missed it).

 

[Spur of the moment]

Interestingly, only last week Brad Freidel on Sky (I think it was) pointed out that the referee was absolutely correct in not sending Lloris off for handball outside the box against Chelsea. He insisted that if, having caught the ball or got a hand to it, the keeper's momentum then takes him outside the box whilst still handling the ball, the law states it should be given as a yellow rather than a red even though the foul might result in denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity.

Don't think anyone else picked up on that one.

 

[braineclipse]

The FA don't set the rules. It's FIFA or more specifically the IFAB.

There was a case, quite a while ago when England were bidding against Germany for the World Cup, where the FA rescinded some red or yellow card and FIFA objected on the grounds the referees decision is final (unless he says he was wrong or missed it).

How about the rule change this summer by the FA relating to retrospective punishment? Was that set by FIFA or the IFAB? (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/12/fa-retrospective-disciplinary-action)

How about the rule change in the Serie A where players can be retrospectively punished for simulation based on tv-evidence? (One instance here: http://football-italia.net/33131/pinilla-facing-diving-ban)

There are international rules to be followed, but each football association surely has some power?

As was posted in the Torres thread former referees were among them saying that the FA had the power to punish Torres. At that point it's a question of how the rules are interpreted, and for that the FA also surely has power.

 

[braineclipse]

Interestingly, only last week Brad Freidel on Sky (I think it was) pointed out that the referee was absolutely correct in not sending Lloris off for handball outside the box against Chelsea. He insisted that if, having caught the ball or got a hand to it, the keeper's momentum then takes him outside the box whilst still handling the ball, the law states it should be given as a yellow rather than a red even though the foul might result in denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity.

Don't think anyone else picked up on that one.

Cheers for sharing. Didn't know that

 

[nelto]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...le-and-wants-rules-changed-again-8868803.html

FA chief says Fernando Torres should have been banned for Vertonghen tussle and wants rules changed again

Updated: 11:57, 09 October 2013



Football Association chairman Greg Dyke today called for another change in the rules after admitting his embarrassment at Fernando Torres escaping punishment for scratching Jan Vertonghen.

Torres was sent off during Chelsea’s 1-1 draw at Tottenham last month after a series of clashes with Vertonghen but avoided censure for clawing at the Spurs defender’s face.

Referee Mike Dean booked Torres for a trip on Vertonghen that occurred seconds earlier but because an assistant referee confirmed he had seen the incident “albeit not in its entirety”, the FA were unable to act retrospectively.

In July, the FA changed the rules after consultation with the game’s stakeholders — including the Premier League, the League Managers’ Association and the Professional Game Match Officials Limited — to ensure they could intervene if all match officials were unsighted during a particular incident.

However, because one official claimed to have partially witnessed Torres’ actions, the FA were rendered impotent and Dyke, speaking today at the Leaders In Football conference at Stamford Bridge, said: “There is an important point to be made following the incident involving Torres and Vertonghen. For the FA’s disciplinary department to find themselves in a position in which they don’t have the authority to take action for what was an obvious scratch on the face just cannot be right.

“What this means is despite the rules being changed in the summer to allow action to be taken in instances which were not properly seen by the officials, they clearly weren’t changed enough.

“When millions of fans watching around the world can see an incident like this and the FA do not take action, it is understandably baffling to everyone and has to be addressed.

“As chairman of the FA, I don’t like being in a position where I can’t explain why no action has been taken in cases which seem pretty obvious.”

 

[nelto]

If an incident has been witnessed by a Match Official, quote “albeit not in its entirety", then it hasn't surely been witnessed at all.

Try getting a partial view of a witness through a Court. I don't think that the FA can even interpret their own rules. If the Assistant Referee has not seen the full incident, then he hasn't seen it at all.

 

[Jurgen the German]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...le-and-wants-rules-changed-again-8868803.html

FA chief says Fernando Torres should have been banned for Vertonghen tussle and wants rules changed again

Updated: 11:57, 09 October 2013



Football Association chairman Greg Dyke today called for another change in the rules after admitting his embarrassment at Fernando Torres escaping punishment for scratching Jan Vertonghen.

Torres was sent off during Chelsea’s 1-1 draw at Tottenham last month after a series of clashes with Vertonghen but avoided censure for clawing at the Spurs defender’s face.

Referee Mike Dean booked Torres for a trip on Vertonghen that occurred seconds earlier but because an assistant referee confirmed he had seen the incident “albeit not in its entirety”, the FA were unable to act retrospectively.

In July, the FA changed the rules after consultation with the game’s stakeholders — including the Premier League, the League Managers’ Association and the Professional Game Match Officials Limited — to ensure they could intervene if all match officials were unsighted during a particular incident.

However, because one official claimed to have partially witnessed Torres’ actions, the FA were rendered impotent and Dyke, speaking today at the Leaders In Football conference at Stamford Bridge, said: “There is an important point to be made following the incident involving Torres and Vertonghen. For the FA’s disciplinary department to find themselves in a position in which they don’t have the authority to take action for what was an obvious scratch on the face just cannot be right.

“What this means is despite the rules being changed in the summer to allow action to be taken in instances which were not properly seen by the officials, they clearly weren’t changed enough.

“When millions of fans watching around the world can see an incident like this and the FA do not take action, it is understandably baffling to everyone and has to be addressed.

“As chairman of the FA, I don’t like being in a position where I can’t explain why no action has been taken in cases which seem pretty obvious.”

Good to hear. They need to change the rule where they can't do anything if any of the officials has seen the incident. I know they want to back the officials, but they do make mistakes every now and then, it doesn't actually help them covering up/ignoring their mistakes.

 

[Spur of the moment]

Thank heaven for someone at the FA with an ounce of common sense.