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The Budget

Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Need to stick to the facts and cut out the emotional nonsense. We're talking here about barely 6 weeks over the Olympics :~
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Well it wont impact on me but i do not think it is right and i also think they are using it as an excuse to bring in full time later on. Why do shopping hours really need to be stretched on a sunday because of some rowing or atheltics? i just do not belive the is a need there and they want to use the olypmics to bring it in full time later on.

Still it does mean you can pop into tesco more often;)
 
Dorothy said:
I've noticed that Sunday staff in many places are not the same as weekday staff anyway. Personally I'd think opening shops longer hours, where there is demand would be beneficial to the economy. If shops opening longer hours on Sunday are forced to employ more staff to cover these hours then it is surely win/win ? If they are recruiting from those currently out of work and desperate to get back to work then we have people gaining valuable experience, getting their foot in the door and taking home about ?ú50 they wouldn't have had. As long as Benefits can work around these part time hours where is the bad ? I have never liked or understood shops closing at 4 and 5pm on one of the two days in the week most people have off.
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Then the needs to be a rule that says those with children should not have to work weekends. I wish to live in a country where people are better behaved and i think parents need to spend more time with their children to help them mature. If it was all college kids and young adults without families i would not be against it in theory but the needs to be arule so that working families can spend more time together then maybe england would be a slightly nicer place to live, maybe.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Tobacco smoke is a carcinogen....there isn't a debate.

Feel free to smoke around your kids by all means.
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I don't smoke. Thanks for the abuse though. I see you're not sending any of your charming comments Scara's way.

Edit: And your avatar's looking a bit brick now.
 
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Yossarian said:
I don't smoke. Thanks for the abuse though. I see you're not sending any of your charming comments Scara's way.

Edit: And your avatar's looking a bit brick now.
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Awww diddums.....I call a spade a spade, IMO you AND Scara are talking gonads....if you're offended then fine.

I haven't been gloating about Arsenal all season.....I kept my powder dry, I will laugh at Arsenal's repeated failure and 7 years without a trophy despite having a wage bill double ours, thanks.
 
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Leeds Spur said:
Awww diddums.....I call a spade a spade, IMO you AND Scara are talking gonads....if you're offended then fine.

I haven't been gloating about Arsenal all season.....I kept my powder dry, I will laugh at Arsenal's repeated failure and 7 years without a trophy despite having a wage bill double ours, thanks.
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So inferring I'm a/ a smoker, b/ have children and c/ would smoke in front of them if a & b apply is "calling a spade a spade? Righto....
 
Yossarian said:
So inferring I'm a/ a smoker, b/ have children and c/ would smoke in front of them if a & b apply is "calling a spade a spade? Righto....
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If you did have kids and smoke you would obviously smoke in front of them since it had zero health impact?
 
Of course you know better, all science is gonads.......

Criticise the study and refute it.

Otherwise you have NOTHING to say but conjecture
 
Leeds Spur said:
Of course you know better, all science is gonads.......

I didn't say that. I was referring to the corruption of the scientific method, including the peer review process, as evidenced in climate science

Criticise the study and refute it.

Otherwise you have NOTHING to say but conjecture
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You're the one who seems to be keen on conjecture, based on recent posts.
 
japenesegardenlover said:
Well it wont impact on me but i do not think it is right and i also think they are using it as an excuse to bring in full time later on. Why do shopping hours really need to be stretched on a sunday because of some rowing or atheltics? i just do not belive the is a need there and they want to use the olypmics to bring it in full time later on.

Still it does mean you can pop into tesco more often;)
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They wanna keep the shops open longer so more tourists buy brick while they're over here - not rocket science. At the same time, I'm sure they'll see whether sales of staple goods rise to suggest there is an interest from the regular consumer. That's obvious. I think you're being awfully presumptious to present things like this as a foregone conclusion; the British place a lot of intangible value in things like Sunday roasts and going to church and whatever else, so I wouldn't be so sure that there'd be the appetite for it. And if there's no appetite, then why would a retailer increase their overheads, purely for the sake of it? That no make no sense my friend!

Nah, would mean I wouldn't have to rush to M&S. Tesco is for tossers.
 
The Moonlit Knight said:
It's not about that. It SHOULD be about allowing the highest earners to keep as much money as possible so they can spend it (thus benefiting everyone) in this country or even better invest it in start up schemes, their business etc.

When a banker for example gets ?ú1m in bonus, the tax man loves it and gets almost half. What does the banker do with the other half? He'll pop down to his local dealership and buy a flash motor (and that dealership now has more money, the salesman more commision and oh, let us not forget the VAT....). The banker then may decide to buy a new house (stimulating the housing market, and stamp duty to the government please!) or maybe give his present place an overhaul (local builders earning money) or best solution may even build a new place (lots of local business there). Maybe they'll set up their own business and employ a couple of people.

Or we can punish the rich, increase public spending and have the country go down the bricker completely.
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I have a very well paid job and i know how it works, but if some are really naive enough to think that dropping the rate to 45% is going to encourage the so called rich to stop looking for loopholes :-" then they really are living in a alternative world.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Smoking is the single biggest kilelr in the UK, smokers use the NHS disproportionately........they should pay through the nose.

I'd ban it completely.....as you say it's as addictive as heroin and thats a class A drug!

In my whole life smoking has been known to be a killer and bad for you, not sure it's credible at all to say the state sponsored the current group of smokers to start smoking!
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LOL...you're a fan of seeing the crime wave go ballistic then are you? It's been legal for far too long to shut it down now...to do so would be restricting people's freedom of choice...it's disappointing to me that government sees smokers and drinkers as their main way to raise revenue. Such an obvious 'fudge you' to the ordinary punter...I wish there was more emphasis on tax loopholes for corporations than crushing Janet & John in the budget...BTW, I do not smoke and drink occasionally/get drunk one in a while, but not regularly!
 
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parklane1 said:
I have a very well paid job and i know how it works, but if some are really naive enough to think that dropping the rate to 45% is going to encourage the so called rich to stop looking for loopholes :-" then they really are living in a alternative world.
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Who said it would stop them looking for loopholes? Almost everyone I have ever met will take advantage, or seek out, loopholes if they can. People are selfish and greedy. Pretty much everyone in their own way. The difference between socialists (pay us more or we strike strike strike!) and capitalists (I earned my bonus even though the company is in the brick) is that socialists are hypocritical about it.
 
parklane1 said:
I have a very well paid job and i know how it works, but if some are really naive enough to think that dropping the rate to 45% is going to encourage the so called rich to stop looking for loopholes :-" then they really are living in a alternative world.
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That sort of logic is the kind of nonsense the left are encouraging as a weak argument so they can attempt to use the 'greed culture' that all echelons of society are engaged in to rebuke. The main loophole is people is people not taking top jobs here, not relocating businesses here, us losing talent to other countries with more appealing tax laws. They are not loopholes just personal choice. Loopholes can be closed very easily. 13 years of New Labia didn't close all of the loopholes ? Why ? Our problem right now is that politics is becoming more accessible to the more easily led. Economics needs to take the forefront here not a bunch of no hope politicians playing popularity cards the masses can't understand.

People who can afford to and all businesses employ tax accountants to minimise their tax burden. It is perfectly legal and perfectly sensible. It is no difference to spending hours searching out every benefit imaginable rather than working those hours to increase your income. Why would someone not try to mitigate Inheritance Tax where they have paid tax on every penny they have ever earned and are then expected to cough up another 40% beyond the allowance. Many work towards providing for their families and loved ones. It is human nature to do so. Survival of the fittest. If you sat at home and did fudge all in the old days you starved or froze to death. Now lazy qants want food and wood delivered for free as part of their right !

I'd say 90% of people talking about 'millionaires' have a very fixed picture in their mind. Bankers, anyone with an middle to upper middleclass accent yada yada. They are not thinking about the celebrity culture they feed off, of overpaid footballers etc just who they decide to villify. If society did the decent thing and lauded those who have achieved, who studied hard, worked hard, employed, contributed the most then we would be in a far better place.
 
When did investing wisely become a loophole ? A loophole is an inadequacy in the law. Tax planning is using Government given and endorsed financial products to invest your money wisely. This is what most people do. Those who utilise offshore banking, or the Red Ken's of the world who filter money through businesses to limit their tax outlay are acting slightly differently. Just let us remember that 13 years of opposition Government apart from ruining our economy, and selling lies and popularity politics to the dullards did absolutely nothing to change the system at all. IN fact many of them got fat off of it and continue to do so. Even those that led the Government.
 
Dorothy said:
Our problem right now is that politics is becoming more accessible to the more easily led. Economics needs to take the forefront here not a bunch of no hope politicians playing popularity cards the masses can't understand.

I'd say 90% of people talking about 'millionaires' have a very fixed picture in their mind. Bankers, anyone with an middle to upper middleclass accent yada yada.
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How true. From the way Balls and Labour go on about greedy bankers (in their eyes that is any higher rate tax payer) you may be mistaken for thinking that slapping an extra 10% tax on them will generate enough extra tax take to pay off the deficit and continue to fund/increase the benefits payments to the core labour vote! I hate the hypocrosy of Balls with a passion... privately educated, middle class to the core and yet he is quite happy to play his class war politics... would he have got where he is now without his education? He will never in a million years admit that he was instrumental in bringing this country to its knees, and spending way, way, way beyond our means. Who was special economic adviser to Gordon when he sold the gold? Balls.... who advised Brown on PPP, whereby we will be paying for hospitals and schools for the next 40 years at 6 to 7 times what they cost to build? Bloody Balls! But don't worry, the current problems are entirely the fault of the bankers and have nothing to do with the fact that UK PLC failed to save a penny during the good times, and spent and borrowed way beyond our ability to pay it back. But like everything today, it's always someone else's fault!

There is no magic pill to cure the current deficit... and the sooner all politicians are honest about this the better, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for Labour to say this as they are far too deep in denial.
 
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