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It seemed most of them were cheering Federer than Murray two nights ago

What the fudge?

Is that the equivalqent of Ferrari fans in F1?

Yes mate, that's 100% spot on.

Or Barcelona fans or Man Utd fans. 'Ooooh look, who's the best player, let's support him'

Sickening to see English fans still hating Murray over the non-existant comments about England, and then rooting for Federer over Murray in his own back yard?

tossers
 
Yes mate, that's 100% spot on.

Or Barcelona fans or Man Utd fans. 'Ooooh look, who's the best player, let's support him'

Too true - I suppose that's what being spoonfed via console game covers, commercialist media, and similar imagery driven outlets.

If Spurs every made the CL final against those tossers - I bet you all fanboys in Enlgand will root for Messi and co. Because it's 'cool'
 
Neil Harman in The Times:

What more does he have to do? Climb Everest? Put his name down for I’m a Celebrity ... Get Me Out of Here? Do a Felix Baumgartner? Renounce Scotland?

As Andy Murray departed the O2 arena on Sunday night, ready for a few days’ rest before he dons his running shoes and punishes his body more in his December training block, he did so having bitten his lip when he was asked about the response of the crowd before, during and after his defeat by Roger Federer in the semi-finals of the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals.

Of all the iconic sounds he has heard in 2012, that of New Yorkers in wild celebration of his grand-slam tournament breakthrough, of Australians urging him to another charge at Novak Djokovic in their tumultuous semi-final in January, the strains of the national anthem across Centre Court on gold-medal day, those are the noises that will resonate. Of the tin-heads who barracked him for changing a racket during the first tie-break on Sunday, those he can (try to) forget.

What a shame, though, that a year when he delivered so fully on his GHod- given talents, ended with a home crowd wanting the other chap to win. Not everyone, of course but a marked majority. This event is a celebration of extraordinary talents as much as anything else and Federer has enriched his sport more than anyone in the past decade and received his just deserts from a country that embraces his standards and standing perhaps more than anywhere except Switzerland.

Yes, Murray has been a bit of a bore; he still chides himself probably more than any other player at the highest level, openly, outwardly, aggressively, often shockingly. He wants to win so badly. He utters loud swearwords (I have heard Federer berate himself but he disguises it as beautifully as he moves). My goodness, sometimes Murray’s hair is a mess and he has a bit of stubble whereas Federer is so wonderfully neat and he has a $1 million Gillette contract. Now what else can we have a go at Murray about? Ah yes, he’s from Scotland. Can’t ever let him forget that.

Many of my relations are American and they would acknowledge that they may not be able to pinpoint immediately and exactly where Scotland is on the globe. Thus, when Murray won the US Open in September, it was because of his heroics, because they knew he had striven so hard, because it had been such an exhilarating match, because he had tried and tried and finally made it, that they went mad for him. I am actually rather glad he won there first. Americans “get” Murray. We don’t.

Even Federer was a little taken aback. “Well, we have played here twice before, and twice the crowds were amazing, electric, and sometimes even in my favour,” he said. “So today was somewhat similar again.”

The antipathy towards Murray from sections of the audience at the O2 deadened what ought to have been an occasion to savour. He knew it, though would not say it for reasons of diplomatic nicety. What would be the point in further antagonising those who are antagonistic towards you in the first place?

But as this tennis year draws to a close, it is worth recalling that, in November 2011, I canvassed fellow tennis writers at the O2 with the question “Can Andy Murray win a grand-slam tournament?” and they were unanimous that he could, with requisite reservations about his mental strength, whether he took to his forehand aggressively enough, with suggestions as to who might coach him (no one said Ivan Lendl) and in the case of one, whether he might make an appointment with a psychiatrist.

Well, he has stepped up mentally, he has stepped up the power on his forehand, he stepped up with the call to a coach who has spoken to him with authority and has had a captive audience from the first day, and has spoken not to a psychiatrist, but a psychologist, Alexis Castorri, who recently, rather perceptively, said: “I have heard that Andy hasn’t always been fully supported by the whole of the UK but he is tenacious and sticks to his mission. After the way he spoke when he lost the Wimbledon final, perhaps more people have warmed to him, because he was revealing a side of himself that they hadn’t seen before.” It would have been reasonable to think so, Alexis.

From that day to this, Murray has become an Olympic champion, showed enormous fortitude and believed in his game entirely.

To triumph at the US Open, after which he may not have won a title but has delivered abundant evidence of his qualities, completing the year as the No 3 player in the world and thoroughly earning a bit of peace and quiet that is all too rare in the harum-scarum world of the tennis professional. The lack of appreciation for him at the O2 on Sunday was truly alarming.

It was even suggested on Twitter yesterday that the reaction was so outrageous as to prove a disincentive for other British players to take up the sport. I can only hope and believe that that is not so.

Murray’s 2012

Played 72. Won 56. Lost 16

Titles: 3

Brisbane (bt Alexandr Dolgopolov)

Olympic Games (bt Roger Federer); also won silver medal in mixed doubles with Laura Robson

US Open (bt Novak Djokovic in final)

Grand-slam record

Australian Open Semi-finals (lost to Djokovic)

French Open Quarter-finals (lost to David Ferrer)

Wimbledon Final (lost to Federer)

US Open Winner (bt Djokovic)

Barclays ATP World Tour Finals Semi-finals (lost to Federer)

Prize money $5,124,230 (£3,227,861)

World ranking 3
 
Too true - I suppose that's what being spoonfed via console game covers, commercialist media, and similar imagery driven outlets.

If Spurs every made the CL final against those tossers - I bet you all fanboys in Enlgand will root for Messi and co. Because it's 'cool'

Erm, you love Real Madrid who are the biggest club in the world so how's that different to taking a liking to Barca?
 
Yes mate, that's 100% spot on.

Or Barcelona fans or Man Utd fans. 'Ooooh look, who's the best player, let's support him'

Sickening to see English fans still hating Murray over the non-existant comments about England, and then rooting for Federer over Murray in his own back yard?

tossers

Federer is my favourite player but I don't agree with British people rooting for him over Murray.
 
Erm, you love Real Madrid who are the biggest club in the world so how's that different to taking a liking to Barca?

Because 85% of those Barcelona 'fans' fans only emerged after Messi and them executed their marketing supremacy and would probably move on to PSG and Anzhi when they fade away 5 years down the line

They wouldn't even know when Koeman, Stoichkov and Romario played
 
Which he dangled in Fed's mouth to suck on.

Djoker owns Fed now, he's his little bitch.......toyed with him yesterday and then took it away from him like the master he is.

NOw calm down with the personal abuse before I bitch slap you properly.

Federer has a superior head to head record and beat him at Wimbledon, but Djokovic is a better player than Fed right now.
 
Because 85% of those Barcelona 'fans' fans only emerged after Messi and them executed their marketing supremacy and would probably move on to PSG and Anzhi when they fade away 5 years down the line

They wouldn't even know when Koeman, Stoichkov and Romario played

Lol come off it. People liked them when they had Ronaldinho too. My Dad went to watch them a few times when they had Johan Cruyff. People like them because they play great football, and obviously because they win.
 
fudge yourself ****y gonads! :)

Nadal is the greatest.....absolutely owned Federer in his prime and would tinkle all over his slam record were it not for injuries.

He is a smug taco and the clowns cheering him over Murray should be ashamed.

It's easy to appear serene when you're winning....people forget what a petulant clown shoe he was in his early career and the snide comments he has made about Nadal and Djokovic.

Nope....horrible **** he is.

What about Nadal's gamesmanship when it comes to taking 30-45 seconds to serve? Djokovic can be petulant at times too. Admittedly Federer can be a bad loser at times.
 
Lol come off it. People liked them when they had Ronaldinho too. My Dad went to watch them a few times when they had Johan Cruyff. People like them because they play great football, and obviously because they win.

Leeds' intial point was one of people supporting the current 'winners' because it's trendy and 'cool to have their logo on your iPhone'. Subsequently my observation conlcuded Barcelona's fans have increased exponentially over the Messi era. Because it's cool and he's on my FIFA cover.

Much like Ferrari's did during the Shoemaker supremacy years.

Much like Man Utd have a global 'appeal', etc.
 
Tennis is an individual sport and outside the Olympics and Davis Cup not based on nationality. I think it reasonable to support a player based on how they play rather than their nationality.

As for the booing, that seems unreasonable. Perhaps Murray has some Spurs fans as fans. ;)
 
Leeds' intial point was one of people supporting the current 'winners' because it's trendy and 'cool to have their logo on your iPhone'. Subsequently my observation conlcuded Barcelona's fans have increased exponentially over the Messi era. Because it's cool and he's on my FIFA cover.

Much like Ferrari's did during the Shoemaker supremacy years.

Much like Man Utd have a global 'appeal', etc.

People don't root for Chelsea. People didn't root for Germany when they had a great side and we were winning everything, in fact, people hated their pragmatic approach. His initial point has some substance to it, people do love a good bandwagon.

It's not just about Messi, people love watching players like Xavi, Iniesta and Villa. You may prefer Madrid, but the majority of football fans would pick Barca to watch as a neutral as they play the most entertaining football, their 5-0 demolition of Real a couple of seasons ago was one of the best performances I've ever seen from any club side!

I actually like Dortmund and would root for them to win any tournament that Spurs are not in.
 
People don't root for Chelsea. People didn't root for Germany when they had a great side and we were winning everything, in fact, people hated their pragmatic approach. His initial point has some substance to it, people do love a good bandwagon.

It's not just about Messi, people love watching players like Xavi, Iniesta and Villa. You may prefer Madrid, but the majority of football fans would pick Barca to watch as a neutral as they play the most entertaining football, their 5-0 demolition of Real a couple of seasons ago was one of the best performances I've ever seen from any club side!

I actually like Dortmund and would root for them to win any tournament that Spurs are not in.

That's you, i'm the same....I love the underdog actually! But the majority of people are glory hunters!!

Fed had a great run until Nadal came along, so he has a whole generation of fanboys. In this country as well.

Poor show
 
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