Telegraph Entrapment Scheme

[glorygloryeze]

We should have a competition?
Nearest to the final eight wins

Might this not be bordering on libellous to add actual names to accusations? I know it is speculative and Ferguson is unlikely to read GG but ...

Oh shucks, we were having such fun

I was going ask @milo to administer the competition as well (only points for exact matches though)....
..of course you are probably right...

 

[Gutter Boy]

Might this not be bordering on libellous to add actual names to accusations? I know it is speculative and Ferguson is unlikely to read GG but ...

They'll have to sue the internet then: https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=t7TrV4ydBurR8gfMzb6wCQ#q=who+are+the+8+managers

I think there's a difference between clearly blindingly guessing and accusing. We know that culture exists around a small group of mainly British managers from a particular generation, so it's almost a case of 8 from an obvious 12 or so

 

[milo]

They'll have to sue the internet then: https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=t7TrV4ydBurR8gfMzb6wCQ#q=who+are+the+8+managers

I think there's a difference between clearly blindingly guessing and accusing. We know that culture exists around a small group of mainly British managers from a particular generation, so it's almost a case of 8 from an obvious 12 or so

The difference being that this site could not afford to fight a legal challenge.

Let's try and keep the wild speculation under control. I think that linking and discussing speculation elsewhere is probably OK (for now), naming and speculating on who it could be is probably not.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

It's a shame that a useful practice like investigative journalism is wasted on subjects like this. Are any of us surprised this goes on and that clubs are aware of it? I don't condone the action of the people caught out but I'm sure there are far more serious incidents that are going on, but they might embarrass "the great and the good" .

 

[glorygloryeze]

It's a shame that a useful practice like investigative journalism is wasted on subjects like this. Are any of us surprised this goes on and that clubs are aware of it? I don't condone the action of the people caught out but I'm sure there are far more serious incidents that are going on, but they might embarrass "the great and the good" .

To be fair, people are far more interested in this type of investigative journalism than what kickbacks a dictator might be getting for direct access to oil or something.
Plus that kind of investigative journalism is far more dangerous for a journalist; not many are like to 'disappear' if they name and shame FIFA officials, club manager etc for taking kickbacks; plus one of those subjects generate more clicks.

In short, the only people to blame are ourselves

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I suppose the impact the Watergate scandal had has made me set my expectations higher.

 

[Spur of the moment]

'By the time Mr Pagliara sat down to his lunch of king prawns followed by risotto at San Carlo in Manchester, where virtually every player, manager and agent in the north west has dined at some point ...'

Well that phrase will help us breathe a bit easier, except the article went on to say '“You know he’s a wheeler and dealer don’t you?... he gambles 20 grand a day, he needs to make money… '

If it wasn't for that first quote ..

 

[Jordinho]

Seeing how much money agents manages to leach out of the game, it's no wonder some managers might feel a little under appreciated.

 

[jts1882]

During his meetings with the undercover reporters, Mr Pagliara moaned about a “reformed rogue” of a manager who “used to need the money but he’s had so much now that all of a sudden he’s whiter than white”. He said: “I felt like saying '[X], you’ve had more backhanders than Wimbledon, what are you talking about?’ “You know he’s a wheeler and dealer don’t you?... he gambles 20 grand a day, he needs to make money… he’ll be earning three or four million, he still wants 50 grand in cash.”

The manager last night denied taking bungs.

The gambler? A manager who had a strange hold on his position at a certain northern club, whose owner also liked a flutter at a London casino known to both.

Another coach who has managed several British clubs was allegedly sacked by one club after being “caught with his fingers in the till”.

Known for liking a “bung”, according to Mr Pagliara, he said the former manager would get involved with the fake Far Eastern firm “providing that you understand that when we do deals I have to have a carrier bag with some cash”.

The club that sacked the manager last night said he had been dismissed because of poor results on the pitch.

Like for a poor finish to the season because he was distracted about another job?

A former player who now manages, he allegedly likes extra money to secure deals because he is not on a big salary at his club. Pagliara said: “[X] takes a few [inaudible] because he’s not being paid big money.”

Could he like ex-Spurs players?

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

This is exactly what irresponsible reporting does, people make assumptions based on unsubstantiated rumours or their own prejudices. If they can prove the story they should name names if not then it's a disgraceful piece of journalism. When I first worked on a local paper the editor always said he wanted facts not innuendos.

 

[glorygloryeze]

This is exactly what irresponsible reporting does, people make assumptions based on unsubstantiated rumours or their own prejudices. If they can prove the story they should name names if not then it's a disgraceful piece of journalism. When I first worked on a local paper the editor always said he wanted facts not innuendos.

I reckon they will, i think they are dragging it out over a few days for maximum clicks/hits

 

[milo]

This is exactly what irresponsible reporting does, people make assumptions based on unsubstantiated rumours or their own prejudices. If they can prove the story they should name names if not then it's a disgraceful piece of journalism. When I first worked on a local paper the editor always said he wanted facts not innuendos.

The Telegraph will drip feed the stories to keep the story live and get the maximum exposure/circulation boost from it.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I reckon they will, i think they are dragging it out over a few days for maximum clicks/hits

You would hope that as the story is based on information gained from a banned match fixer he has provided proof rather just his word as he would not make a good witness in any legal cases.

 

[T-C]

If they can prove the story they should name names if not then it's a disgraceful piece of journalism. When I first worked on a local paper the editor always said he wanted facts not innuendos.

In this case it doesn't appear that they've tried to prove anything about whether the payments were actually made or not - that would have been real investigative journalism worthy of 8 months work.

They simply have interviews with a third party talking about the 8 managers. They would get sued and lose if they named them.

The only name they are going to release is an assistant manager that they have on camera receiving money, and 5 grand is small change in the context of what they're alleging.

 

[Baleforce]

The Telegraph will drip feed the stories to keep the story live and get the maximum exposure/circulation boost from it.

yep

it does remind me of that large doping story last year though, back page headlines, PL players and tennis stars, we didn't get any names though

 

[milo]

This is worth a read

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...m-had-to-do-was-say-no_sto5877304/story.shtml

 

[Baleforce]

i'm getting fed up with the continued usage of "greedy"

when the opportunity of work arises the professional thing to do is see what the situation is

 

[milo]

i'm getting fed up with the continued usage of "greedy"

when the opportunity of work arises the professional thing to do is see what the situation is

When it is clear that the work conflicts with your job but you carry on regardless it is at the very least rank stupidity

 

[Jordinho]

https://twitter.com/x/status/781229497219682304

The assistant manager of a Championship football club has been filmed accepting a £5,000 cash “bung” after agreeing to help a fake Far Eastern firm which wanted to profit from transfers.

Tommy Wright, who works for Barnsley FC, accepted a bundle of £20 notes handed to him in an envelope during a meeting in Leeds last month.

In return, he agreed to help the agent sign up Barnsley players, and to recommend that the club sign other players represented by the consortium. He would also look out for players at other clubs who the firm could approach.

Mr Wright, who denies wrongdoing, was suspended by Barnsley last night after The Daily Telegraph made the club aware of what had happened.

Meanwhile, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, the manager of Queens Park Rangers, another Championship side, was filmed agreeing to represent the same firm by flying to the Far East to talk to investors for £55,000 a time.

He appeared open to the idea of signing players owned by the firm, despite the possibility of a conflict of interest. He told undercover reporters posing as representatives of the company: “Give me a ----ing player. A good player.”

He denied any improper behaviour.

Massimo Cellino, the owner of Leeds United, a third Championship club, held a meeting with the undercover reporters at which he discussed a way that his club could get around Football Association rules on third-party ownership of players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/28/exclusive-the-corruption-at-the-top-of-the-championship/

 

[Lemonade Money]

I bet everyone at the telegraph is squeaky clean and sugar coated.