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Suarez - Serial Biter

jts1882 said:
I agree with both of you.

It is ridiculous that ultimate success in a competition that some individuals don't have a real chance of winning is considered a major criteria for determining the best individual. The reality, however, is that it does. The problem is how can you not consider Pele's three world cups and Maradona's success a part of the equation.

Many people already consider Messi the best ever or put him on par with the best. A world cup win can only add to that. For many people the debate will be ended, although not for me.
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It's unfair but that's how people judge the greats. The fact is Maradona won the World Cup with what most experts and fans would describe as an average team and won the league with Napoli who have nowhere near as much clout financially as Juve, the Milan clubs and the Rome clubs. That for me is more impressive than what Pele achieved in his career, he got injured during one of those World Cups but they still went on to win it without him.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Well I think Liverpool had an unbelievable season and got the absolute most out of their abilities individually and collectively and also took advantage of only playing in one competition for the most part. Argentina are better than Portugal but I still think Portugal massively underperformed, a team with players like Ronaldo, Moutinho, Nani, Pepe and Coentrao shoulnd't be finished 3rd behind USA. If you were to ask me if Liverpool could finish 2nd again I would say no, 4th at best I think.

One thing that can't be disputed is Messi is having a much better World Cup than Ronaldo would everyone agree with that? I think Messi should get pretty much all of the credit if they continue playing like they are as a team and still go on to win it. As good as Argentina can be, most of them except Messi have been extremely poor see Di Maria with his 37 times he gave the ball away in the last 16, that's a ridiculous stat.

Anyway, both phenomal players but if Messi adds this to his CV coupled with his club form I for one will consider him the GOAT
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Take Ronaldo out and there's very little between them. Jermaine Jones ****s all over Nani, who has been extremely poor for a couple of seasons now. Moutinho was invisible most of the time while Bradley ran the show. Coentrao got injured in their first game, so hard to say, but I was very impressed with the performances from the US FBs. I think it's harder for American players to carve out a career in Europe. First of all they count as foreigners in most leagues and they're often underrated simply because they're American.

Portugal are NOT the footballing power house the media would have you believe. This is only their SIXTH World Cup appearance. They always have one or two world class players, but they're never good enough as a team and their domestic league is filled with Brazilian players. Not to mention their inability to produce a decent striker. They have ****ing Eder in their squad. He wouldn't cut it in League Two.
 
Jordinho said:
Take Ronaldo out and there's very little between them. Jermaine Jones ****s all over Nani, who has been extremely poor for a couple of seasons now. Moutinho was invisible most of the time while Bradley ran the show. Coentrao got injured in their first game, so hard to say, but I was very impressed with the performances from the US FBs. I think it's harder for American players to carve out a career in Europe. First of all they count as foreigners in most leagues and they're often underrated simply because they're American.

Portugal are NOT the footballing power house the media would have you believe. This is only their SIXTH World Cup appearance. They always have one or two world class players, but they're never good enough as a team and their domestic league is filled with Brazilian players. Not to mention their inability to produce a decent striker. They have ****ing Eder in their squad. He wouldn't cut it in League Two.
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They are still ranked higher than USA and having Ronaldo really should be enough to see them past the Americans. As good as Argentina CAN BE, the fact is they really haven't been and would have gone out in the group stages if not for Messi's heroics.
 
That's assuming Ronaldo actually shows up, which he has a long history of not doing at CL finals and international tournaments.
 
Jordinho said:
That's assuming Ronaldo actually shows up, which he has a long history of not doing at CL finals and international tournaments.
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So we agree Messi has outperfomed Ronaldo then? Both of their respective teams have been poor.

Why is everyone so passionately defending Ronaldo :lol: is it because he plays for Real Madrid and people have a soft spot for them cos of Bale and Modric :p
 
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Luis Suarez must beware curse of leaving Liverpool should he move to Barcelona (just ask Fernando Torres and Michael Owen!)

  • Luis Suarez in talks over a potential £72million move to Barcelona
  • But can he avoid the decline of ex-Liverpool strikers that leave Anfield?
  • Fernando Torres, Michael Owen and Robbie Fowler among those to have struggled at other clubs
  • Sportsmail looks at strikers' goal ratios after they leave Liverpool
Luis Suarez appears to be on the brink of trading in Merseyside for the glamour of Catalonia after Liverpool and Barcelona engaged in formal discussions this week over a proposed £72million move.

However, he may proceed with caution as a Sportsmail study can reveal that those strikers who shine brightest at Anfield often fail to hit the same heights after exciting one of England’s most famous football clubs.

Fernando Torres and Michael Owen both departed Liverpool at the peak of their career – the Spaniard for Chelsea and Owen for Real Madrid – but neither forward was able to replicate their striking process at their new homes.

Torres boasted a stunning goalscoring record at Liverpool, netting 65 goals in 102 Premier League games but his form has deserted since, with his strike rate dropping from 0.64 goals per game to 0.18 since he joined Chelsea in a £50m move in January 2011.

Michael Owen, similarly, struggled for form and fitness after his Anfield departure, with his goalscoring ration diminishing from 0.55 goals per game to 0.31 taking into account his spells with Real Madrid, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Manchester United and Stoke City.

Sportsmail’s research into the record of Liverpool’s strikers in the Premier League era has uncovered a discernible pattern that suggests that the club’s sharpest shooters fall into decline after leaving, with other Anfield legends such as Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler also reducing their goal output once they advanced their career elsewhere.

Indeed, the only forwards whose records improved after leaving the club were their more maligned names, including Titi Camara, Andriy Voronin, Andy Carroll and El-Hadji Diouf, who have all been filed away in the ‘Do Not Mention’ file at Melwood.

Diouf, a £10m signing by Gerard Houiller following an impressive showing at the 2002 World Cup, is more memorable for his phlegm than his football, scoring just three goals in 55 games for Liverpool before leaving for Bolton, where his record improved considerably.

Other Liverpool cast-offs such as Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Andy Carroll improved after exiting.

England forward Carroll has bettered his record – but only slightly – increasing his goal return from 6 goals in 44 games for Liverpool (0.14 goals per game) to 9 in 39 games for West Ham United (0.23 goals per game).

It remains to be seen whether Suarez will fall the same way as those who believed the grass would be greener in pastures new but it would certainly represent a shift in the narrative of Liverpool forwards in recent times.

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FOR BETTER... 

Titi Camara 0.27 UP TO 0.38 
Djibril Cisse 0.27 UP TO 0.46 
Robbie Keane 0.26 UP TO 0.5 
Jari Litmanen 0.19 UP TO 0.21 
Andriy Voronin 0.19 UP TO 0.28 
Andy Carroll 0.14 UP TO 0.23 
Ryan Babel 0.13 UP TO 0.16 
El Hadji Diouf 0.05 UP TO 0.17 
Fernando Morientes 0.2 UP TO 0.26 
Florent Sinama-Pongolle 0.1 UP TO 0.24  

...OR FOR WORSE

Fernando Torres 0.64 DOWN TO 0.18 
John Aldridge 0.60 DOWN TO 0.56
Michael Owen: 0.55 DOWN TO 0.31 
Ian Rush 0.49 DOWN TO 0.13 
Robbie Fowler 0.48 DOWN TO 0.3 
Stan Collymore 0.44 DOWN TO 0.21 
Peter Beardsley 0.35 DOWN TO 0.29 
Emile Heskey 0.26 DOWN TO 0.17 
Peter Crouch 0.26 DOWN TO 0.23 
Craig Bellamy 0.25 DOWN TO 0.24 
Ronnie Rosenthal 0.21 DOWN TO 0.1 
Luis Garcia 0.23 DOWN TO 0.13

*Statistics in both boxes based on league goals only

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2682163/Luis-Suarez-beware-curse-leaving-Liverpool-Barcelona.html
 
Neymar said:
messi sulks when players dont pass to him too.

also when ronaldo does his flapping arms routine when someone doesnt pass to him, i dont actually think its intended to be disrespectful. he does the same thing when he misses a chance too. its just his reaction to when something doesnt go well
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Ronaldo is far more petulant and self absorbed. Doesn't help his case when he does things like wanting to be the glory boy and take the 5th penalty in the Euro 2012 shootout. Surely you would want your best penalty taker being the first/second person to step up?
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
Because it's difficult for some to appreciate two players at the same time, they have to be overly critical of the one they don't like for some reason. Both messi and Ronaldo are amazing, I think messi is slightly better but Ronaldo completely deserved his player of the year award last year.
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I can appreciate both of them just fine thanks. I would have loved to have seen a Portugal-Argentina final.
 
Joining Liverpool didn't exactly improve the goal scoring rates of players like Keane or Morientes.
 
It also ignores the fact that Torres' form had deserted him a while before he left Liverpool
 
Jurgen the German said:
Ronaldo is far more petulant and self absorbed. Doesn't help his case when he does things like wanting to be the glory boy and take the 5th penalty in the Euro 2012 shootout. Surely you would want your best penalty taker being the first/second person to step up?
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That isn't necessarily true, there are some coaches who think your 2 best takers should be number 1 and number 5 (or at least the coolest two)
 
Hootnow said:
That isn't necessarily true, there are some coaches who think your 2 best takers should be number 1 and number 5 (or at least the coolest two)
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I can't think why any coach would have that line of thinking tbh, it backfired massively as Ronaldo didn't even get to take one. I would expect Messi and Van Persie to take the first or the second pen if it goes the distance on Wednesday.
 
Torres went on to win the CL, Owen moved to one, then later the other, of the biggest 2 clubs in the world.
 
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