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Squad

Simon Davies probably has something to do with it. Allegedly we have increased the academy budget aswell and pay players more. Also we've added a few players.
Seems to be working.

And add to that Ange speaking to the academy players when he joined saying he would learn who they all are and if they impress, then they will get opportunities to progress. You'd imagine that would be encouraging, for a period of time at least.
The icing on the cake, after improving the core ingredients, as you mention.
 
And Forster can? Lloris the better keeper of the two, surely. The Fulham penalty loss showed up Forster. Hugo might have saved one of those pens.
No
That game showed that Forster can play this system much better than Hugo
We’re not gonna be in any penalty shoot outs unless we have one in the Fa cup
I wouldn’t have a back up just in case in one game we have a shoot out

you have to remember that Hugo last year cost us massively in many games
And he uses his feet so poorly
Imagine being pressed …
It’s exactly why we don’t want him or Dier anymore
 
No
That game showed that Forster can play this system much better than Hugo
We’re not gonna be in any penalty shoot outs unless we have one in the Fa cup
I wouldn’t have a back up just in case in one game we have a shoot out

you have to remember that Hugo last year cost us massively in many games
And he uses his feet so poorly
Imagine being pressed …
It’s exactly why we don’t want him or Dier anymore

Agree. But these are backup players, let’s not forget. Backups who’ve played and won world cups. They can play at a level if we need them to. No one played particularly well last season. Unfair to judge them solely on last year. I have confidence that both could step up should we need them. Dier is actually better than Sanchez all told. Hugo is actually a better keeper than Forster.
 
Going on Hugo's last penalty shootout, I doubt it. I wouldn't want either in a shootout tbh.

What was his last one?
Last penalty incident I remember him in was against a certain England striker.
Pens are a lottery for keepers, the taker knows keep it low and foster will struggle, Hugo is still agile and has a hitters chance at least.
I would rather not have either, but for pens it's Hugo all day long.
 
U21 players don't need to be registered to play in the PL, so this allows more space for older, non-HG players (as you said, I'm a little surprised to see Lloris and Dier in the squad, but I'm honestly not sure what the best solution is to this situation).
I think we have made a mistake here. Players the club no longer want now know that they can refuse moves away and yet still end up with a squad place at Spurs.
 
And Forster can? Lloris the better keeper of the two, surely. The Fulham penalty loss showed up Forster. Hugo might have saved one of those pens.
Forster is significantly better with his feet than Hugo is. Ange's system is reliant on the keeper being reasonably comfortable in possession with his tactics seeming to actually be inviting the opposition to press us. I'd rather be catering for this scenario that happens multiple times in every match than considering us having to win a penalty shootout.
 
Very very thin on the ground for homegrown players = the minimum and that is with some making up of the numbers in that subset.
That was clearly one of the big factors in us signing Johnson. I suspect we'll sign another association trained player in Lloyd Kelly in January and it wouldn't surprise me to see us go back in for Gallagher next summer or even in January if Hojbjerg is sold then.
 
What was his last one?
Last penalty incident I remember him in was against a certain England striker.
Pens are a lottery for keepers, the taker knows keep it low and foster will struggle, Hugo is still agile and has a hitters chance at least.
I would rather not have either, but for pens it's Hugo all day long.

Last shoot out Vs Argentina?
They just rolled the ball into the net like Fulham did.


https://x.com/GFFN/status/1604551531591876609?s=20

"Hugo Lloris has saved 0% of penalties that he has faced in a penalty shootout as France's goalkeeper in major tournaments (0/9)."

Going on Transfer Market

Hugo - Saved 19 out of 114
Forster Saved 17 out of 47

"That’s according to Gabby Agbonlahor, who insists the Tottenham and France skipper is “useless” at saving spot-kicks"

https://www.football365.com/news/mbappe-knew-france-lose-penalties-10-year-old-score-lloris
 
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Forster is significantly better with his feet than Hugo is. Ange's system is reliant on the keeper being reasonably comfortable in possession with his tactics seeming to actually be inviting the opposition to press us. I'd rather be catering for this scenario that happens multiple times in every match than considering us having to win a penalty shootout.

All fair ponts. Hugo playing well is still the better keeper. Not sure there is a massive difference in passing ability, Foster maybe a little better with the ball at his feet but not by much. Hugo the better shot stopper by far. Who’s the better keeper - there’s not much in it granted.
 
I think we have made a mistake here. Players the club no longer want now know that they can refuse moves away and yet still end up with a squad place at Spurs.

They're unlikely to start many games. I see no problem having them as backup. Yes it would have been preferable tosell them. But it's not as if they wouldn't probably sign extensions if offered.
 
All fair ponts. Hugo playing well is still the better keeper. Not sure there is a massive difference in passing ability, Foster maybe a little better with the ball at his feet but not by much. Hugo the better shot stopper by far. Who’s the better keeper - there’s not much in it granted.

I thought we looked more comfortable with forster in goal last season.
 
Last shoot out Vs Argentina?
They just rolled the ball into the net like Fulham did.


https://x.com/GFFN/status/1604551531591876609?s=20

"Hugo Lloris has saved 0% of penalties that he has faced in a penalty shootout as France's goalkeeper in major tournaments (0/9)."

Going on Transfer Market

Hugo - Saved 19 out of 114
Forster Saved 17 out of 47

"That’s according to Gabby Agbonlahor, who insists the Tottenham and France skipper is “useless” at saving spot-kicks"

https://www.football365.com/news/mbappe-knew-france-lose-penalties-10-year-old-score-lloris
Actually quite surprised at Hugo’s numbers there, in no way did I think he was a specialist or anything, but I thought he’d saved his fair share. Maybe it’s just that he’d saved some high profile ones, like v Aguero in Champions League for example, so they stick in the mind?
 
I think we have made a mistake here. Players the club no longer want now know that they can refuse moves away and yet still end up with a squad place at Spurs.

From the Athletic, Ange sees the bigger picture more than just leaving a player out to push them out:

Perhaps one of Postecoglou’s biggest differences from his up-and-down predecessor is how he remains on an even keel, and doesn’t get too high or too low. Postecoglou is often characterised as a paternal figure, and something you hear again and again in relation to good parenting is the importance of consistency. This just wasn’t the case under Conte, when players and staff were never quite sure how he would react to a given situation. That volatility ultimately proved to be his undoing.

Postecoglou is much more measured, and also consistent, in how he treats different people. The message ahead of the pre-season tour that began his reign was that everyone was starting with a clean slate, and that he wouldn’t be prejudging anyone. So it has proved, with stalwarts such as Dier marginalised and others, including Ivan Perisic, who appeared to be on their way out reintegrated into the group.

Knowing that every selection is being made only on merit is a good way of ensuring that even if players are disappointed to be dropped, they know there was nothing personal in the decision. Dier is a good example of someone who has not been selected, but is determined to fight for his place.

Postecoglou has also decided that even the players not making matchday squads, like Dier and Lloris, still train with the first team. There has not been a “bomb squad”, unlike under previous managers.
 
Last shoot out Vs Argentina?
They just rolled the ball into the net like Fulham did.


https://x.com/GFFN/status/1604551531591876609?s=20

"Hugo Lloris has saved 0% of penalties that he has faced in a penalty shootout as France's goalkeeper in major tournaments (0/9)."

Going on Transfer Market

Hugo - Saved 19 out of 114
Forster Saved 17 out of 47

"That’s according to Gabby Agbonlahor, who insists the Tottenham and France skipper is “useless” at saving spot-kicks"

https://www.football365.com/news/mbappe-knew-france-lose-penalties-10-year-old-score-lloris


As I remember I said, I don't follow international football. There's enough angst being a spurs supporter without following Scotland as well!
I didn't watch any WC games and settled for the 3 min YouTube highlights of some of the games, with it being Harry v Hugo I watched and remember that incident (highlights not the whole game).
Although he didn't technically save Harry's second pen I think it's fair to suggest he won the battle wits by guessing Harry would go the same way, Harry tried to adjust and missed the target.

I would no more listen to gabby agbonlahor than I would put Hugo or foster in goal for pens.
 
I think we have made a mistake here. Players the club no longer want now know that they can refuse moves away and yet still end up with a squad place at Spurs.

Although I agree to a large extent to what you are saying, I have said myself I would not have them in the squad, I don't think its an all or nothing thing that holds much bearing for the future. We have moved on those with less credit in the bank so to speak than Hugo who is a club legend and Dier who despite being on a massive downward curve is maybe (I don't know for sure) seen as being treated with some fair respect till he moves. I doubt if this was any other two players now that they would be afforded the same luxury or respect and as much as I would not have done it myself and would have probably paid them off TBH, I think Ange has set out that neither would be featuring in games and if they are not taking up spots for others now the windows closed it is maybe less damage than giving Dier a crucial role, which others have done.
 
Although I agree to a large extent to what you are saying, I have said myself I would not have them in the squad, I don't think its an all or nothing thing that holds much bearing for the future. We have moved on those with less credit in the bank so to speak than Hugo who is a club legend and Dier who despite being on a massive downward curve is maybe (I don't know for sure) seen as being treated with some fair respect till he moves. I doubt if this was any other two players now that they would be afforded the same luxury or respect and as much as I would not have done it myself and would have probably paid them off TBH, I think Ange has set out that neither would be featuring in games and if they are not taking up spots for others now the windows closed it is maybe less damage than giving Dier a crucial role, which others have done.
There is also a lot to be said about having experience in the squad, while they may not play or have limited playing time they both have massive experience and while we are dropping the age of the squad that could be essential to the likes of Sarr, Phillips etc..
 
There is also a lot to be said about having experience in the squad, while they may not play or have limited playing time they both have massive experience and while we are dropping the age of the squad that could be essential to the likes of Sarr, Phillips etc..

For me the most important part on this, more than any manager before to an extent, because of how invested he comes over, is where does this sit with Ange? He spoke again in the week about all decisions being his and him not having it any other way, now he could be playing the good politician but based on his seemingly upfront and unfiltered nature, I am not sure thats him TBH. Does he think carry two passengers is ok and adds even a slight benefit? Maybe, maybe enough not the banish them. Thats the key for me, if its forced on him, then its a turn down a road I don't like, if he is adding them in with clear lines that it does not affect his master plan, then cool, as he says, thats on him
 
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