Spurs Player Of The Season

[yiddo2786]

That is absolutely amazing Nole. =D>

 

[billyiddo]

Ah, didn't see that post. I'm not really for writing blogs, but if anyone wants to, I can give you the data you need. Even the whole database if there are people who know how to extract statistics. The database is in Microsoft Access format.

once again Nole - that is fantastic work you have put in there =D>

Im not one for writing blog style posts either but hopefully there is someone on the board who could write up these results - or at the very least this get's archived in classics as something to refer back to

welcome to the board

one question though - what is the 3rd column on the last few lists detailing ?

 

[yiddo2786]

The Moonlit Knight BAE -16,6%
The Moonlit Knight Kaboul -18,3%
The Moonlit Knight Walker -20,7%

:lol:

 

[Nole]

one question though - what is the 3rd column on the last few lists detailing ?

You mean "Avg. Bias" column? I described it earlier. It's poster's average bias towards player. How much in average a poster gives higher or lower ratings than the rest of the board averaged.

Billyiddo                   VdV             6,5%        6
Billyiddo                   Kaboul          2,8%        7
Billyiddo                   Walker          0,2%        8
Billyiddo                   BAE             0,0%        6
Billyiddo                   Friedel        -0,6%        8
Billyiddo                   Modrić         -2,9%        7
Billyiddo                   Adebayor       -4,2%        8
Billyiddo                   Bale           -5,5%        8
Billyiddo                   Parker         -6,2%        6

So, on your example: you rate VdV higher than average poster by 6.5%, that's not that much. But one can easily assume that you generally rate VdV much higher than Parker. Is that the case for you? That said, your bias is calculated only for 6 matches for those players, so it's not that much, there are still some statistical errors possible. But for any poster that has over, let's say, 10 player's matches rated, the resulting bias is much more accurate.

Let me give an example. If any poster here has let's say +20% bias towards Adebayor, that means this poster in average for the whole season would give Adebayor rating around 7.69, because Adebayor's season average is 6.41 and 6.41+20%=7.69.

 

[DanishWhite]

And here are the extremes, again, the same data, but sorted differently.

User                        Player       Avg. Bias  # Matches
chicken_badge               Adebayor       25,8%        5
Fuego                       Adebayor       21,4%        5
Fuego                       Walker         20,0%        6
Fuego                       VdV            16,9%        6
punk_is_back                VdV            15,1%       13
Jurgen the German           Defoe          13,1%        9
Fuego                       Lennon         11,9%        6
Mulletperm                  Defoe          11,7%       11
punk_is_back                Kranjčar       11,5%        5
yiddo2786                   Bassong        11,4%        5
Spur of the moment          Kaboul         11,3%        8
Pandy                       King           10,6%        9
braineclipse                BAE            10,6%       10
Modric THFC                 Kaboul         10,4%        5
punk_is_back                King           10,1%       11
The Moonlit Knight          Defoe          10,1%        7
braineclipse                VdV             9,9%        8
ZiN                         Gallas          9,9%        5
Fuego                       Modrić          9,7%        6
Spur of the moment          Bale            9,7%        8
DubaiSpur                   Parker          9,5%        6
Supporter                   Parker          9,3%        5
Modric THFC                 Walker          9,3%        5
ZiN                         Adebayor        9,2%        7
chichester                  Sandro          9,2%        5
yiddo2786                   Bale            9,2%       19
metalgear                   Parker          9,0%       10
The Moonlit Knight          Parker          9,0%        8
Rorshach                    Walker          8,6%        5
Rossi22                     Gallas          8,6%        5
diego_maradona              Bale            8,5%       15
yiddo2786                   Rose            8,4%        7
yiddo2786                   Livermore       8,0%       10
braineclipse                Lennon          8,0%        6
charlietheyid               Sandro          7,9%        9
Spur of the moment          VdV             7,9%        9
LLB Part Troix              BAE             7,6%        5
yiddo2786                   Modrić          7,6%       21
Mulletperm                  Sandro          7,6%        6
diego_maradona              Livermore       7,6%        9
Spur of the moment          BAE             7,5%        5
braineclipse                Kaboul          7,4%        9
Fuego                       Bale            7,4%        6
Pandy                       Sandro          7,2%        8
Rorshach                    Bale            7,2%        5
Pandy                       Adebayor        7,1%       13
LLB Part Troix              Friedel         7,1%        5
diego_maradona              Adebayor        7,0%       16
The Moonlit Knight          Gallas          6,9%        6
Pandy                       Lennon          6,9%       12
punk_is_back                Sandro          6,9%        8
Spur of the moment          Modrić          6,8%        7
braineclipse                Gallas          6,7%        6
Rossi22                     BAE             6,6%       14
alen_cro                    Bale            6,6%        5
Pandy                       Modrić          6,5%       14
clevelandspur               Walker          6,5%       14
Billyiddo                   VdV             6,5%        6
yiddo2786                   King            6,4%       13
ZiN                         Modrić          6,2%        8
LLB Part Troix              Adebayor        6,1%        5
punk_is_back                Lennon          6,1%        9
Spur of the moment          Adebayor        6,0%        7
chichester                  Defoe           5,9%        5
clevelandspur               Kaboul          5,7%       12
clevelandspur               Parker          5,7%       10
nw7 yid                     Pavlyuchenko    5,7%        6
braineclipse                Defoe           5,7%        6
diego_maradona              Modrić          5,5%       16
diego_maradona              Lennon          5,5%       11
Kingdawson                  Livermore       5,4%        6
Mumorn                      Adebayor        5,3%        8
Spur of the moment          Friedel         5,3%        6
Mumorn                      Friedel         5,3%       10
charlietheyid               Bale            5,3%       19
Fuego                       Gallas          5,3%        5
yiddo2786                   Lennon          5,3%       13
charlietheyid               Kaboul          5,2%       15
#11L                        Lennon          5,2%        5
diego_maradona              Sandro          5,1%       11
ZiN                         VdV             5,1%        7
chichester                  BAE             5,0%        6
yiddo2786                   BAE             5,0%       19
ZiN                         Walker          5,0%        8
LLB Part Troix              Parker          5,0%        5
---------------------------------------------------------
SteveAWOL                   Livermore      -5,0%        6
Spur of the moment          Sandro         -5,0%        5
mudshark                    Bassong        -5,1%        6
[B]DanishWhite                 Adebayor       -5,1%        5[/B]
charlietheyid               Parker         -5,1%       17
mudshark                    Adebayor       -5,2%       17
Jurgen the German           Livermore      -5,3%        8
ArcspacE                    Sandro         -5,3%       11
ArcspacE                    Saha           -5,3%        6
ArcspacE                    VdV            -5,4%       16
clevelandspur               VdV            -5,4%       13
chichester                  Kaboul         -5,5%        6
Billyiddo                   Bale           -5,5%        8
metalgear                   Gallas         -5,5%        7
mudshark                    Kaboul         -5,5%       18
chichester                  Parker         -5,7%        5
ArcspacE                    Friedel        -5,7%       19
nw7 yid                     King           -5,8%       10
ArcspacE                    Modrić         -5,9%       19
[B]DanishWhite                 Modrić         -5,9%        5[/B]
metalgear                   Modrić         -5,9%       11
Billyiddo                   Parker         -6,2%        6
ArcspacE                    Livermore      -6,2%        7
charlietheyid               Defoe          -6,4%        9
Rossi22                     Defoe          -6,4%       12
mudshark                    Lennon         -6,5%       14
whitehartrebel              Bale           -6,8%        5
Supporter                   BAE            -6,9%        5
DubaiSpur                   Defoe          -7,0%        6
mirkoaxe                    Modrić         -7,0%        5
ArcspacE                    BAE            -7,3%       16
chicken_badge               King           -7,5%        5
clevelandspur               Modrić         -7,5%       14
the dza (with the method    Parker         -7,7%        5
nw7 yid                     Kaboul         -7,8%       12
Mulletperm                  Saha           -8,0%        6
Jurgen the German           Adebayor       -8,6%       15
The Moonlit Knight          Livermore      -8,7%        6
metalgear                   Defoe          -8,7%        6
mirkoaxe                    Parker         -8,8%        5
Pandy                       Kranjčar       -9,2%        6
alen_cro                    Walker         -9,7%        5
[B]DanishWhite                 Walker         -9,7%        5[/B]
DubaiSpur                   Walker         -9,7%        8
charlietheyid               Adebayor      -10,0%       17
charlietheyid               Lennon        -10,4%       10
charlietheyid               Livermore     -10,5%        6
DubaiSpur                   King          -11,2%        7
Mulletperm                  VdV           -11,3%       12
charlietheyid               VdV           -11,8%       18
clevelandspur               Lennon        -11,9%        9
The Moonlit Knight          Adebayor      -12,6%       10
The Moonlit Knight          Sandro        -13,4%        7
clevelandspur               Sandro        -14,4%        5
metalgear                   Lennon        -14,5%        6
clevelandspur               Bale          -14,5%       13
clevelandspur               King          -15,2%        8
punk_is_back                Parker        -15,5%       15
The Moonlit Knight          BAE           -16,6%        9
[B]DanishWhite                 Bale          -16,6%        5[/B]
The Moonlit Knight          Kaboul        -18,3%        9
The Moonlit Knight          Walker        -20,7%       12
DubaiSpur                   Bale          -23,4%        7

I am a bit suprised that I don't have a positive bias for VdV. After all, that's what people keep slagging me for. Also people keep slagging me for doing some sort of witchhunt against Defoe, which is clearly not true, as I give him the same ratings as everyone else.

The others are fair enough and probably spot on.

I am significantly less impressed with Bale than the average fan, from what I can see. Not because he's not a darn good player, but in fact because he do IS a darn good player, who in so very many games doesn't apply his talent nearly enough. In other words I expect more from him.

Good work Nole !!!

 

[Nole]

I am a bit suprised that I don't have a positive bias for VdV. After all, that's what people keep slagging me for. Also people keep slagging me for doing some sort of witchhunt against Defoe, which is clearly not true, as I give him the same ratings as everyone else.

This is your bias if I remove 5 as lower limit for number of matches:

VdV         2,6%       3
Friedel    -3,9%       4
Adebayor   -5,1%       5
Modrić     -5,9%       5
King       -6,6%       3
Walker     -9,7%       5
BAE       -12,7%       4
Parker    -13,4%       4
Bale      -16,6%       5
Defoe     -18,1%       3
Kaboul    -18,2%       4
Sandro    -18,5%       3

So, the people seem to be correct . But as you can see, you've given them votes for only 3 matches, so this is well inside statistical errors, and the result could've easily been different. Also, notice that your average bias for all players is well below zero, so that means you're giving lower average ratings in general.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Wow...the fact that I only seem to have positive biases for Parker and BAE should tell me something about my critical side, I think.

Nevertheless.....

Well done. sir, well done. =D>

edit; just seen that I'm also the fellow with the most negative bias against Bale. Crikey. If you're reading, Gaz, I love you mate. Best Spurs player in the squad, honest.....

But stop trying to be bloody Ronaldo!

I imagine trying to collate the ratings of Harry would be pointless, Nole?

 

[Nole]

I imagine trying to collate the ratings of Harry would be pointless, Nole?

There would be not enough data for that. Not many posters rate the manager after the match and I need as much ratings in a single match as possible.

 

[DubaiSpur]

I made it a habit, and a few others did, but I see your point. Besides, if I rated the players somewhat harshly, I don't really want to recall how magnificently harshly I must have treated Harold.

 

[billyiddo]

Nole - cheers for the break down but i got it wrong - turns out it was the 4th Column (not the 3rd) that i was unsure of and now i have seen that it was No. Matches

#-o

 

[billyiddo]

So, on your example: you rate VdV higher than average poster by 6.5%, that's not that much. But one can easily assume that you generally rate VdV much higher than Parker. Is that the case for you? That said, your bias is calculated only for 6 matches for those players, so it's not that much, there are still some statistical errors possible. But for any poster that has over, let's say, 10 player's matches rated, the resulting bias is much more accurate..

i noticed i was a lot more critical of Parker in the second part of the season where, i think, his form dropped quite a lot and he got more involved further up the pitch, where quite frankly he should not be because his strengths lay further back - imv the further forward he was the more he stifled our attacking play by hanging on to the ball too long.

 

[elltrev]

Nole, amazing work!

No surprises regarding Moonlit Knight's bias, haha.

Fuego seems rather generous with his ratings!

Interesting to see how inconsistent Bale has been according to our ratings. And how consistent Walker and Livermore have been (though Livermore's average rating has been fairly low overall).

These stats support my view that people who don't want Gallas here next season are mad. I know he only played 15 PL matches, but that's almost half the season. And he was our 4th best player as well as being the most consistent according to our ratings. Plus he is our arguably our most experienced winner, and the most natural leader. His contract runs for another year right? It's bizarre that people are talking about releasing him; I can only presume it's because of his injuries, but I still think it's worth keeping him around as he has performed well when he has played and he must be a useful guy just to have around in terms of his experience.

Also interesting to see that Defoe's average PL rating is so low; the lowest of all of our first team players in fact (not counting Livermore, Kranjcar and Rose).

I also think it's telling that the average ratings for Everton (A), Stoke (H) and QPR (A) were 5.34 and 5.6 and 5.76 respectively, whereas Fulham (A) was 6.42. In the latter game Fulham had 26 shots (20 on target) against 8, and 11 corners against 1. I remember it being an awful second half, and that we would have been extremely lucky to get a draw, let alone a 3-1 victory. But because we did win, the team got decent ratings. People are far too swayed by the result IMO.

 

[Spursalot]

I also think it's telling that the average ratings for Everton (A), Stoke (H) and QPR (A) were 5.34 and 5.6 and 5.76 respectively, whereas Fulham (A) was 6.42. In the latter game Fulham had 26 shots (20 on target) against 8, and 11 corners against 1. I remember it being an awful second half, and that we would have been extremely lucky to get a draw, let alone a 3-1 victory. But because we did win, the team got decent ratings. People are far too swayed by the result IMO.

Nice work Nole!


You can't really alter this. People are swayed by the result, but what do you expect in a results based industry?

The narrow margins that can occur in cup competitions, they may be narrow, but their significance can be huge as to whether or not you achieve progression. So whether you succeed or fail.

Attempting to logically rate players based upon what can be an emotional high/low is challenging to achieve consistency.

 

[billyiddo]

I also think it's telling that the average ratings for Everton (A), Stoke (H) and QPR (A) were 5.34 and 5.6 and 5.76 respectively, whereas Fulham (A) was 6.42. In the latter game Fulham had 26 shots (20 on target) against 8, and 11 corners against 1. I remember it being an awful second half, and that we would have been extremely lucky to get a draw, let alone a 3-1 victory. But because we did win, the team got decent ratings. People are far too swayed by the result IMO.

yeah, the ratings are as much about the people posting as they are about the players

 

[Rossi22]

Well done Nole, that was immense =D>

BAE The Moonlit Knight -16,6% 9
Kaboul The Moonlit Knight -18,3% 9
Parker The Moonlit Knight 9,0% 8
Sandro The Moonlit Knight -13,4% 7
Walker The Moonlit Knight -20,7% 12

Why doesn't that surprise me :lol:

 

[Jurgen the German]

Brad Fridel - 7 - solid and dependable.
Carlo Cudicini - 6 - ok

Kyle Walker - 8 - fantastic debut season and a constant improvement
Younes Kaboul - 8 - our most consistent defender, imv
William Gallas - 7.5 - great displays in the second part of the season
Ledley King - 6 - not his best season
BAE - 7 - more good displays than schockers but still prone the occasional lapse in concentration

Danny Rose - 5 - hope he moves on next month for the sake of his career
Nelsen - 6 - little time

Gareth Bale - 8 - involved in most of our ganderous attacking movement - bagged 12 goals from out wide
Luka Modric - 7.5 - kept our midfield going and dominated numerous games. Very good return
Scott Parker - 7 - immense 1st half of the season, faded in the second but had a massive impact on our season
Sandro Ranieri - 7 - much improved closing stages of the season, hope we keep him for a few more years
Jake Livermore - 7 - constant improvement throughout the season, well done, Jake
Aaron Lennon - 7 - unlucky with injuries

Rafael van der Vaart - 7.5 - another good season from our most creative player


Jermain Defoe - 7 - unlucky not to get more minutes - looked sharp and delivered when needed more often than not
Emannuel Adebayor - 7.5 - vital goals and contribution

Louis Saha - 6 - hope he leaves next month and free up wage budget - nothing player / not in line with our long terms objectives
Giovanni Dos Satos - 5 - limited time


Harry Redknapp - 7 - successful season

Agree with most of this, except I'd give Parker an 8.